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Do a lot of guys on this return to old behaviours?

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by skaterdrew, Nov 27, 2019.

  1. skaterdrew

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    I returned to old behaviours today, where I basically spent the entire day in bed PMO binging. I thought I was away from that sort of behaviour.

    I just feel so down about this, and I feel like I will always eventually return to PMO.
     
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  2. allitnam

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    In this battle, there's never a perfect victory. All the days you were without PMO were a win, as your brain and soul are healing. Focus on the big picture, you are improving.
     
  3. Yep. It's a never ending battle, I'm off work until next week. So, yeah. It's a never ending battle
     
  4. Arnuld

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    Everyone going through recovery has been there man. Just start over and take it one day at a time. I would always feel like a failure when I would relapse. But you have to take into account the big picture. If I counted how many times I have acted out with porn this whole year it is probably less than the amount of times I acted out in November 6-7 years ago. Progress not perfection.
     
  5. skaterdrew

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    See I agree with what your saying. But on another post you said the only way to cure PIED is going full monk mode? So that means if you do end up relapsing or even worse binging then there is no hope of curing PIED?

    The way I see it is I rarely PMO these days. I used to binge heavily for years. These days I rarely ever PMO. But the worrying thing is if I am not perfect then I will never cure PIED?
     
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  6. skaterdrew

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    I agree with you.

    But a lot of guys seem to think your back to square one if you relapse or even worse binge?
     
  7. Arnuld

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    Sorry @skaterdrew I didn’t notice that you had started both threads. My bad. Yes I do believe that you need to go full monk mode if your number one goal is to cure PIED. Also there is a big difference between having a ten minute slip and multiple day binge. It’s the difference between throwing a wolf a bone from table vs giving it an entire antelope to eat. But neither is good if your goal is to starve out the wolf. I’m really sorry you are going through this man but it is possible to stop. Alcoholics stop drinking forever. Drug addicts stop using drugs. People who over eat compulsively learn to have a healthy relationship with food again. That addiction is probably the best comp to sex addiction. Eating is part of life. Sex is part of life. Compulsively overeating has consequences- weight gain, poor biomarkers, shame. Compulsive porn use has consequences- PIED, escalation into uncomfortable genres, shame. But both can be over come by getting to the root cause of why you feel the need to engage in the behavior. And it’s not just about physical gratification for most people. There is typically an emotional trauma or feeling that underlies an addiction. You may need to find a counselor who specializes in sex addiction or start attending SAA meetings if you really want to beat this thing.
     
  8. skaterdrew

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    Thanks man.

    The only reason I actually ever relapse usually is because of hangovers from alcohol. If it's not a bad hangover sometimes I don't even relapse at all. If it is a bad hangover I will usually relapse. The worse the hangover the worse the binge on PMO. That's usually how it seems to work.

    I have issues with alcohol. I stay off it for weeks sometimes. But usually when I do drink I get drunk ye know.

    I usually mark down on a calendar my progress and streaks of no PMO. So I did have a few relapses over the last couple of weeks, but they were minor relapses, masturbating to a few images for like 5 minutes. I hadn't binged in over 2 weeks. But then with how hungover I was yesterday this did lead me to go on a binge where I heavily PMOed all day.
     
  9. Minsc

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    Here's a view I'm taking.

    Slips happen. All we can do is pick ourselves up, learn and move forward. Honestly, this is a consequence we must learn to accept. The majority, if not all, of us were warned to stay away from porn. This "skill" is now learned within us. Much like riding a bike, the actions are there. The thing is we do not just suddenly slip or relapse. Our fall is gradual. Here's an excellent food for thought video.



    Square one thinking is a sure fire way to prolong suffering. Our previous victories still exist. They matter. From our previous victories we gain the courage to keep moving forward. If we succeeded before, we can succeed again.
     
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  10. Demodectic

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    Im alot like you. Alcohol caused me many problems and I even started to go to AA. My last 11 day streak of No PMO was ruined because i got drunk and after that I fapped. So i would advise you to quit both addictions at the same time because they feed off of one another.

    Also I feel if you where in a romantic relationship that you could easier break free from the PMO if you where having real sex at least 3 times per week? Thats what i would like to do but I have so much work to do in the gym before girls will accept me since I am COMPLETELY out of shape. Its an embarassment. Cant even take off my shirt at the Beach
     
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  11. Arnuld

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    Got it. So you have one addiction fueling another. The pain from the hangover leads to needing to feel better so you are self medicating with the porn. Unfortunately you need to stop both. I understand this very well. Weed makes me want to act out with porn. I’m in no way addicted to weed but I do enjoy it. But I stopped using it because it triggers my porn addiction. I know all of this sucks so bad. But these addictions are robbing you of the life you deserve.
     
  12. skaterdrew

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    Weed also makes me relapse, and this is why I stopped smoking weed. I don't relapse on porn when I am drunk, but I do when I am hungover, especially if it is a bad hangover. Like I said the worse the hangover the worse the relapse/binge.

    I sent you a private message btw.
     
  13. Arnuld

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    Don’t get caught up in the idea that you need to be in perfect shape before women will accept you. While I would encourage you to get to the gym on a regular basis and get into the best shape you can, please understand that there are many other characteristics that make women feel attraction. Confidence, kindness, a good sense of humor. Kudos for facing both addictions head on. It takes a lot of courage to walk into an AA meeting and admit that you have a problem.
     
  14. skaterdrew

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    Yeah the alcohol is definitely causing me to relapse on PMO.

    Something a lot of people in the world are unaware of is weight loss and maintaining weight loss actually has very little to do with exercise. If you want to get muscular and physically fit then yes you'd need to exercise. But weight loss mainly comes from your diet and how frequently your eating. Weight loss and more importantly maintaining weight loss is more to do with having low insulin levels and fixing your metabolic rate and hormones. For instance someone could lose weight by dieting, starving them self basically, and doing a lot of exercise. But the issue with this is the person will probably still have a thing called insulin residence. They also won't of fixed their metabolism, but in fact will have made it worse. So their body will do everything in it's power to get back to what it perceives as it's normal weight, raising insulin and also hunger hormones like ghrelin. This is why the majority of people who lose a lot of weight dieting and exercising usually always put all the weight back on and more. The reason this happens is they didn't fix their insulin residence, they actually made their metabolism worse, and they increased hunger hormones. I mean what hope does someone have of maintaining the weight they lost if that is happening in their body?

    The best ways to maintain weight loss long term is doing things like intermittent fasting or the ketogenic diet, or even better a combination of the two.

    Intermittent fasting is hands down the most thing that will lower insulin levels. I do intermittent fasting and a low carb diet. I made a mistake when I started intermittent fasting, I jumped in to doing very difficult fasts too quickly and was very hungry. If you do decide to try it then do it in such a gradual way that you're not hungry.

    I am now at the stage most days I only eat one meal a day and I'm not hungry. This is when you know it is really working, you stop feeling hungry. This is when you have become fat adapted and your body uses it's stored energy, which is body fat as it's number one fuel source. So it is burning body fat for energy. When you eat all the time you will have high insulin levels and your body will always be burning glucose for energy and can't access any of it's stored energy, body fat.

    If you do decide to try intermittent fasting do it in such a slow and gradual way you don't feel hungry doing it. I made a mistake a while ago when I first started it and jumped in to more difficult fasts too quickly. You shouldn't feel that hungry when your doing intermittent fasting, and you should get to a stage you rarely ever feel hungry. This is because your body will actually be eating it's own body fat for energy, and it will be higher in hormones like leptin which suppress appetite. Because remember everyone's appetite is completely controlled by their hormones. You basically teach, train and condition your body to regularly be higher in hunger hormones or appetite suppressing hormones.

    Also if you do try intermittent fasting don't fit your life to fit the fasting, fit the fasting to fit your life. So if one day you are going out with friends or something and it's too difficult to do your usual intermittent fasting pattern then don't do it that day.

    I used to be obese over a year ago before I started intermittent fasting. I am now slim and the weight has stayed off.

    Here is some good youtubers who have a lot of videos on intermittent fasting and the science of how weight loss actually works.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/drericberg123
    https://www.youtube.com/user/drekberg
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZP1pu-K5ln7GQfv4oQQ00Q

    Also look up someone called doctor Jason Fung.

    This is only if you're interested though.
     
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  15. ANewFocus

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    I had to give up alcohol to see a significant improvement in this. Alcohol isn’t worth failing in this program.
     
  16. Fenix Rising

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    I'd say forget about perfect moderation. It's all or nothing for us long term binge masturbations. St. Augustine once said that perfect moderation is harder to achieve than complete abstinence, I'd add that perfect moderation is mission impossible once you've developed dependency.
     
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  17. skaterdrew

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    gave a Arnold class advice there, man! Awesome!
     
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  19. Asgardian36

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    we are of the same age, brother.
    I find it fascinating and infact scary that your weight loss journey hasn't inspired you to do better in other areas of life, like getting rid of PMO. I am sure, the only people who have a PMO addiction yet leading a healthy and satisfying life are rare exception, I believe they do not exist, imho.

    The progress you made must re-affirm the love you have for your body and it doesn't make sense why you are still with PMO, ridding your body of the most essential fluid it produces constantly.
     
  20. ANewFocus

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    this is so true and it’s why sex and food related addictions are so hard to fight. It’s hard to completely shut off those urges because they are part of natural bodily systems.

    With alcohol, I tried moderation many times but it’s so easy to bend the rules on yourself. Abstinence was much easier.
     
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