Why do people deny the Harms of Masturbation on us without Porn ?

Exactly man. Good post. Masturbation in itself is still a drug that gets you high and can still be addicting. At my low point I tried to convince myself that it was ok to do without porn and I still felt affected from it.

 

I personally don't overall feel that guilty if I masturbate without porn or artificial sexual stimulation. If I masturbate just using my imagination it's over in like 5 minutes. If I masturbate to porn and artificial sexual stimulation on the internet it can last hours.

I don't really think masturbation on it's own has much benefits, maybe apart from relieving stress or a sexual urge, but that's about it.

The issue I more have with some guys on this is they genuinely think that masturbation on it's own is basically just as bad as masturbating to porn.

No one knows exactly how long men have been masturbating, but it is likely at least hundreds of years, and probably much longer. But if men have been masturbating for hundreds of years and probably much longer, then why did men, especially young men basically never suffer with erectile dysfunction through out history? Why has it only really been since after the millennium young healthy men have started suffering with erectile dysfunction?

As far as I am concerned the reason this has happened is because of high speed internet. High speed internet was the first time in human history you could get unlimited high speed sexual content in one click. This is very different to one porn dvd/video or magazine. The way the sexual content is being delivered is very different. It's extreme novelty.

Surely it can't be a coincidence to you that erectile dysfunction rates were near non existent in young healthy men before high speed internet, and then after high speed internet erectile dysfunction issues in young healthy men are now at an alarming rate. Surely that can't be a coincidence to you?

 

Every time we masturbate, we are HURTING/INJURING OURSELVES especially prone meaning laying on our stomachs, and humping on the floors, beds, etc. back and forth, and also sideways. I have not masturbating over a month and if I can stop this, everybody can too.

 

#1. In recent times [ the last 50 years or so] people have been taught that fapping is healthy and fine.
#2. Ever try telling a pothead that marijuana has harmful effects?

 

Porn is hell
Masturbation is the gate.......

 

The gate was locked shut from the beginning of time. People started gradually hitting the gate and weakening the gate around the 70s. Over time the gate got weaker and weaker. In 2006 the gate was knocked down completely.

 

I would say the gate was knocked down completely by 2002-2003ish.. this was around the time my pals and me found quite a few sites that I will not name offering up free lengthy videos.. 2006 was many guys already experiencing symptoms. I remember finding sexual exhaustion forums by this time actually, as this was my first go around experiencing issues and finding other guys having the same symptoms. I wish I was born a decade earlier.. (in the 70s) maybe I wouldn't have been exposed as much and already been older and more mature and not had time for PMO. It seems to be mainly a late 20s-late 30s issue predominantly.

 

I don't think that masturbation "per se" is a problem or has anything unhealthy about it. I have yet to see scientific proof that masturbation as an isolated sexual act produces any harm. Human beings have probably masturbated since the beginning of times. This behavior is also common among other mammals. The problem is excessive masturbation, the keyword being "excessive" and not masturbation. "Excessive" anything is a problem, be it excessive drinking, eating, playing computer games, whatever. Link excessive masturbation habits to porn and you have the problem we all suffer from. But let us not mistake two things that, up until the invention of the internet (namely high speed internet) were not usually related.

The problem with addicts like us is that we have poor impulse control and the fact that initiating a behavior that is related to our addiction usually ends up in a relapse. If you linked masturbation to porn in your brain, and we all have, masturbation will end up in you seeing porn, eventually. This is the real mistake we make. So, no, I don't think masturbation itself is intrinsically bad, harmful or shameful. However, if your religious or philosophical beliefs say otherwise, you will feel guilty and ashamed. That being said, masturbation as trigger to watch porn is a definitely a problem and as I said before, it is extremely hard for us to dissociate both.

 

^ This is completely false

Porn was around before the internet. There were porn addicts before the internet serious degenerate scary porn addicts, and you would see them because they had to go out to get their porn other than magazines and videos. There were porn theaters and little booths where people would go to fap, and you would see them come out of those places eyes glazed. I saw more porn addicts before the internet became mainstream than I do now. I assume that is because now they can do it at home, but they were there before the internet. And even in the cases of not going out to the perv theaters lots of people knew someone who spent the summer holidays inside wanking to magazines. How is the internet any different than being in a porn store with an endless variety of videos and magazines?. Also even before video and photos people always have had their imaginations I believe C.S Lewis the author of the lion witch and wardrobe wrote about the dangers of fapping something about how real women can not compete with the endless harem one has in there mind.

^ This is part of the pushing of it on society and things people are told, but what you said is totally false. It is not COMMON among any animals only humans. And the few cases really only happen EVER to animals in captivity. Now maybe the duckbilled platypus in Ecuador was caught fapping once in the wild, but that is far from common. I think all the footage of Monkees doing it is of Monkees in captivity.

 

I'm getting the feeling that some people here are trying to pass the idea that masturbation is intrinsically evil and harmful, based on their personal experiences and beliefs. I have yet to see any serious, credible, scientific studies that occasional masturbation is damaging to human health. Everyone is free to believe what they want but don't mix personal opinions with facts.

@Mr.Chips
I'm sorry, but I believe you are missing the point. Masturbation may be problematic to porn addicts, but what I mean is that poison here is porn, not masturbation itself. For example, wine is not a "poison" (unlike cigarettes, that are always poisonous) if you drink it occasionally in small quantities, but if you are addicted to alcohol you cannot touch a glass of wine. The real problem is not the wine, is the addiction.

 

When one is beholden to a vice, they will do anything to rationalize it.

 

The problem I have with masturbation is that for the porn addict it can lead you right back into PMO vortex. PMO is like crack cocaine. MO is like regular cocaine. Once you have had crack cocaine regular cocaine is not going to be enough for you. So it’s best to just have no cocaine.

 

Just a few points

- Porn is 100 times worse
- Masturbation addiction without porn most likely won't exist
- Masturbating ends up in ejaculation and that's not good, we should be retaining our semen and not even having sex for 90 days
- We should avoid masturbating as it will lead to porn with certainty
- We should avoid masturbation without porn regardless, there are costs

 

And that's where you're wrong. I had m addiction way before p came into the field.

 

Tell me about this M addiction without the porn.