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Hacking the Science of Habits - Advice Please!

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by I_Want_My_Life_Back, Dec 22, 2019.

  1. So I was reading this book the other day on Habits, and one sentence that made an impression as soon as I read it was : "You cannot extinguish a bad habit; you can only change it"

    In other words, the author's point was that there's a cue-routine-reward factor for every habit we ever pick up. And the only way to change a bad habit is to keep the cue and the reward constant, but change the routine we carry out instead.

    In the context of PMO obviously the cue is the occasional thought, some stress, or visual/audio trigger that strings a chain of seemingly harmless thoughts that lead to the routine of porn resulting in the dopamine as the reward. Now I'm wondering if there is an effective way to handle the cues that we receive, and get the same kick out of some other action that is actually productive.

    I've read reports of things like exercising giving a similar feeling of reward once completed, and I've been experimenting with doing 20 or 30 pushups or crunches whenever I voluntarily have a lewd/erotic thought, but that's a work in progress - I'm not seeing any immediate results. The thoughts are back within 15 minutes.

    I could really use your suggestions of activities and thoughts on this, it seems like a pretty sound way of coping seeing as this method has reportedly been effective in AA and the like.
     
  2. Awedouble

    Awedouble Fapstronaut

    It sounds like you already know enough about the process and on the other hand, we don't know what's available in your life context so you really have to look at the possibilities. I will just say that what you think of as reward may change in time, and you may start to tolerate a longer response time and subtler feelings of satisfaction. Toward the beginning you may be thinking in terms of a more immediate reward based on feeling good, but for example you might derive pleasure from successful overall repatterning beyond a single habit. Even with PMO we have stress as the other one, which we can say in general is avoidance, and one can do the opposite and lean into it, but you need to further qualify it given the intensity - like it may not be appropriate to force yourself to meditate and sit with the feeling if it's a full on PTSD trigger.

    So basically I would not invest completely in working with the small cycle in this way, you want to have some background disciplines and awareness but the trouble is the addicted mind is short sighted by nature. It will seem that's other stuff that doesn't have much to do with it.

    Actually let me back up. I think a more helpful way of looking at that sentence may be not just change it so you get a reward from different stuff, another possibility is change it so you don't get a reward from the problematic stuff, or just change it so you no longer NEED a reward. The overall SET of habits is more important too, so you may work on that scale rather than just focusing in on PMO - again it may seem like the life improvement stuff is removed but that's not the case if you're working on that level. So you change the relationships between the habits like other ways of responding to stress without relying on a one-and-done approach like exercise only, implement an entire network of healthy acitivities including diet and some form of mental discipline.
     
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  3. Awedouble

    Awedouble Fapstronaut

    Ok lets go with a specific example of morning wood and the possibility of MO without P. As a background condition this is where sleep hygiene is really helpful, but more specifically you might actually introduce stimuli like using a sound file for your alarm that reminds you to not MO, especially if you haven't gotten your sleep dialed in yet. But at this point I wake up without alarm and I just have enough awareness to know I'm dreaming and fantasizing (like this morning actually) and the awareness that there's a choice. The alarm file doesn't even necesarily have to be about PMO or recovery in particular, you may be able to find something that is just generally inspirational that will do the trick - and also switch it up every so often so you don't get used to it. (maybe there's an app that randomly picks from a set of files?) It's also possible to set off a visual timer for a lamp, it's new stimuli you're not used to around that time if nothing else. (though I would just get a full spectrum lamp)

    Just remember all this is technological stuff which means it is external, I would suggest everyone always works towards self regulation. But it's good practice in terms of thinking through designing your environment.
     
  4. Yeah, you make a lot of excellent points - I'll take your advice on looking far enough ahead while planning habits, thanks very much for the detailed response.
    Has subconscious conditioning worked for you in the past? I tried multiple times to let something play in the background as I dozed off, for both self control and memorization purposes.... all that happened was that I'd have trouble getting to sleep and then would wake up later in the night from the same audio and stay sleepless for a while. It's obviously not practical to time the playing of the file to sync up with our REM cycles either, where new interconnections are being made (I would assume that's the period when the audio really affects the subconscious), so I don't think that approach would work for me.

    You make a great point about changing requirements instead of the way I'm meeting the requirements, I'll keep that in mind. It definitely looks like a complete rework of my schedule with new reward mechanisms is in order. Much thanks for the reply and the tips. Your routine/program was helpful, by the way, I definitely see the importance of identifying the required and non required parts of your day and sticking to it.
     
  5. Awedouble

    Awedouble Fapstronaut

    I think you can naturally get subconscious conditioning by practices like journaling and reading inspirational stuff during the day, maybe poetry. The idea of playing something upon waking is the opposite, it's to work with the conscious mind as it is entering that phase upon waking.
     
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  6. blademaster87

    blademaster87 Fapstronaut

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    Picking up new habits has been key to me. You can't just kill a bad habit, you must replace it. I believe this process of change can develop into the so spoken "sexual transmutation" if you're dealing with a sexual addiction like PMO.
     
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  7. aniseprakash

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    I believe, changing the cue is possible. But it cannot take effect in few days. On average an adult takes 65 days to set a habit. So if you continue the cue for 65 days that might become a habit.
     
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