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P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Fenix Rising, May 12, 2019.

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  1. Seeking_the_answers

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    Anybody had experiences with this?
     
  2. Younameit

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    was it MO or PMO?
    If it was just MO I see no problem, Although you shouldn't binge, that's very harmful, but porn is poison, as long as you keep it distant you'll be fine
     
  3. You’ve took out of context what I’ve said and totally misrepresented it. I’ve been pretty much in an anxious state like this since the last decade one that porn was very much involved in, a lot as well. I said previously that even with relapsing I still feel the same as I was whilst two years without no porn. This has been repeated many times. I feel good now. Much better than I had the previous 8 years even though I have a lot more to work on.

    By the way stress and caffeine can cause constant throbbing/pressure headaches. You might want to go and do a bit more research on the topic especially caffeine at the frontal lobes.

    You are absolutely correct with statement number two. We all have different issues and porn is definitely one of them that brings us all here complaining about these symptoms but I guarantee is not the sole reason.

    The end of the day I’m not here to tarnish anyone’s experience. I have had symptoms a lot worse than a lot of people on here and I’m only only telling you guys what’s going on now. Much like @BeanBurrito and @Ezpz have done.

    Who knows maybe even people like saneagain come to this realisation whilst leaving to forum or other people who have left.
     
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  4. I was wondering about this myself. Around the first two week's i experienced the withdrawal symptoms, i was suffering from a terrible cough, which i'm wondering to myself was it because of the incredible chest tension at the time (Me mistaking it for something like a cold and mucus in my chest) or was their actually something i had gotten sick with at the time? Because around the time that shit happened a ton of people i knew were reporting getting sick. Either way, what i'm dealing with now is definitely withdrawals, but i think i had just a terrible chain of events that happened to me to worsen my whole situation.
     
  5. Could you please explain your symptoms which you have had or are currently experiencing please.
     
  6. Younameit

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    I think that happened to me as well, 2015 I started having the first porn related symptoms, only by the end of 2016 I began my reboot
     
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  7. humbleone

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    But I don't drink caffeine or anything else - so how can it be related for me?

    I must say I don't get much or any inspiration/motivation from anyones post besides DarkSetur who know longer posts.

    If you've been through what I am going through and made it through the other end, I'd assume you'd be shouting from the rooftops 'Keep going guys it gets better' - instead its more like 'Im not sure its got any better and if it has that might not be due to nofap' - which makes me think we aren't experiencing the same thing here
     
  8. humbleone

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    Basically I don't sleep properly any night, it feels like my body never fully relaxes and is in low level fight or flight, that is improving month on month.

    I get weird social anxiety before meeting anyone this is getting better too - at its worse it was getting a panicky feeling before seeing a hairdressers, or even family and close friends. Now its still there in the same situations but much less severe.

    The weird social anxiety is by far my biggest ailment - its unexplainable and horrible, I never had any social anxiety before in my life. And now when I go into a 1 to 1 meeting with one of my employees (who I've work with for 10 years) I still get this slight panicky feeling after 10 months

    When does the anxiety go and does it go completely back to normal

    ps, I have other symptoms digestive, bad memory, not being able to think straight, low IQ etc etc but these are no where near as concerning as this crazy weird anxiety
     
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  9. No it does get better. Much better. But it’s slow as fuck and for some of us who have been living YEARS with this we don’t know what normal is. Like I said a decade and a bit more years of living like this it’s hard to remember what I once was like.
     
  10. Well I have been having one relepase after another and even edged and binged again since april 2019 o 27 december 2019. At first there was hardly any increase in symptoms. Now brain fog, insomnia, social anxiety slowly coming back again. I feel like total shit right after an Orgasm (flu like symptom, brain fog, 3 nights no sleep, nightmares, night sweats). I did not had really had these symptom increases since november 2019. I was thinking I was slowly coming out of the woods. But no... I felt some nasty symptoms slowly coming back. STAY AWAY FROM PMO. Don't rationalize using this degenerate male energy destroying cuckhold poison that turns you into a weak pussy man with messed up prefrontal cortex, striatum and amygdala. It will hold you back in life. Stop being a COOMER bro's
     
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  11. If I'm not mistaken, Darksetur said that after paws symptoms are over, you'll need a lil bit of time before catching on...
     
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  12. Younameit

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    I had sleep issues for 3 years basically
     
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  13. Younameit

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    they will serve as the ultimate learning experience and when we reach total normality and start living as a functioning healthy human being, to not take for granted our health
     
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  14. Younameit

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    Lol dude, you fucked up, you've been binging and watching porn ever since? Holy shit... I can't imagine something worse than that..
     
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  15. I am not rationalising porn in anyway shape or form. I hate it absolutely what it has contributed to myself.

    All I’m saying is much like what @BeanBurrito & @Ezpz has said. I think we might need to revise the whole PAWS conundrum with this. I’m not denying it exists. Like I have said I have had every symptom under the sun from this shit at one point and for many years.

    What I’m saying is that it directly causes anxiety to get worse and worse over time and turns into some weird chronic anxiety where our fight or flight response is shot to shit. Like clinical depression. I guarantee if you look around clinical depression, chronic anxiety symptoms you will find many that are the same here.
     
  16. I mean have a look at that and tell me that isn’t similar too what we have on here. All I’m saying is I think porn contributes to us getting severe anxiety and therefore we have these shit symptoms.
     

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  17. Yes I am stupid addict. Not just porn addiction. I was full blown pill poppin' steroids abusing junky. I used all kinds of drugs. Funny thing is, I had 3 streaks from around. 70. 120 and 150 days were I felt completely healed.

    And guess what... I drank tons of alcohol, tons of caffeine, smoked a lot of nicotine, took benzos, pregebalin, Phenibut, processed foods, weed, n2o with bad sleep habits on those streaks and still felt completely healed ( Just don't use meth, opioids, cocaine or other strong dopaminergic supplements, because they will fuck up your reboot for sure)

    The world looked amazing. Tons of motivation, life looked great, libido through the roof, avaerage girls looked fuckable, color of life was back, energy up, motivation through the roof, slept like a baby. While living a shitty lifestyle. All I did was hardmode no PMO and it was succesful.

    Then I relapsed to porn and within a week I was feeling like a betaboy and felt zero dopamine flowing through me again. Just a total zombie. The drugs were not the problem, but the PMO.

    This is my subjective expierence and everybody reacts different to the reboot and their lifestyle. ALSO: DONT BE AS STUPID WITH DRUGS AS ME
     
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  18. Dukenuke

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    This ^ I see people abusing themselves with whatever substance and I would just be sitting there totally clean from everything and feeling ten times shorter than anyone around me because of all the porn I was consuming and eating to for hours to. I got the same feeling that other than hard drugs, I could literally do whatever I want and not get so self conscious about doing it and actually enjoy it and not get destroyed by any little substance just because my porn addiction demands to be the only pleasure in my life when I'm on it. I think my jaw is totally destroyed from all the porn and clenching. It's been two months and my headaches are worse than ever for some reason. It's interesting that lebowski said in a recent relapse that he think caffeine was more of a stressor to him than actual porn and he just feels like he needs to work on other things in his life. Which sounds to me like quitting porn would just make me more stressed out if that's the case but you just made my point of view on the matter make sense again. And lebowski, get back to me please! Haha.
     
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  19. In your case it could definitely be some sort of generalized anxiety order triggered by the PMO binges, cold turkey withdrawal, chronic stress, having no job for a long time, excessive alcohol, bad sleep and high caffeine intake. Maybe you should go to a psychiatrist and tell to whole story and ask him advice if you will.
     
  20. Its all trial and error man. The end of the day it’s what’s works for you. It’s an individual basis for each and everyone of us. A relapse use to make me feel like absolute shit two to three years ago when I had extreme symptoms of anxiety or withdrawal whatever you want to call it.

    Even many 4,5,6 months and up to a year streaks had me feeling like shit after a relapse years back. After relapsing in October and since it has opened my eyes. And maybe it isn’t all doom and gloom with withdrawals and kindling and all that shit. Maybe just maybe it contributed to an excessive amount of anxiety that was considerably less over the two years. I have hardly and fight or flight left nowadays even typing this I’m nearly at full brightness on iPad lol there was a time where even the phone ringing would send me haywire, an extremely anxious individual no doubt that porn played a roll and a big one and that too.
     

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