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Count the times you PMO

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by ShadyPerson, Jan 4, 2020.

  1. ShadyPerson

    ShadyPerson Fapstronaut

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    Here in NoFap we tend to focus on how long streaks we can keep, which is obviously important, but I feel like it's slightly besides the point. Aside from semen retention people the we are here because we want to pmo less, not because we want to not pmo more. Your initial thought might be that those are the same, but think again. Let's say you have a habit of pmoing once daily. Now you go on to have a 30 day streak. A respectable success I'd say. But if you relapse and then think "oh, now that I screwed it up already, I might as well enjoy myself before getting back on track" and then you pmo 30 times that day. The amount of your times pmoing hasn't actually reduced one bit.

    So while I do encourage everyone to keep their streak goals in mind, I'd like to propose that you also take an addittional goal of pmoing as few times during this year as you can.

    Personally while I do intent on doing a 90 day reboot this year, I think I'll also try to do 50 times of pmo during the year at most. This would mean a little less than once a week. A relatively modest and achievable goal if taken seriously, but still a huge improvement compared to the last year and less than most people with healthy relationship with pmo do.

    You of course don't have to take the exact same goal. You could take for instance 12, 52 or 100. Hell, I'm sure even 365 would be an improvement for some of the worst addicts out there.

    I feel like unless you plan to quit for good, this kind of goal is actually even better in the long run. Like who cares if you get to 90 days of nofap if you'll be pmoing twice as hard afterwards? As good as this kind of a streak challenge can be at first, constantly using your will power to long streaks with relapses in between isn't sustainable in the long run and sooner or later you'll need to either make the desicion of quitting for good, or find a way to develop a healthy natural relationship with masturbation.
     
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  3. I'm sure your idea will get some mixed reactions. But yeah, 365 times in a year would probably be an improvement for some guys, and an improvement is better than nothing. I think a therapist or a counsellor might be helpful for a guy really struggling. Maybe they could design a program that would slowly get him away from PMO. Trying to quit cold turkey can often lead to a vicious cycle of swearing off, relapsing, feeling crappy about yourself, and then back to swearing off. Not really a strategy, is it?
     
  4. ShadyPerson

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    That would be good yes. Unfortunately it seems to be that our society is so busy trying to destigmatize masturbation that nobody seems to take the problems with compulsive masturbation seriously. At least personally when I told my psychologist on a sidenote that I was struggling to reduce the amount I masturbate, his first reaction was to start defending masturbation. We didn't talk about it further because it was besides the point. Maybe if I had explained my situation to him, he would have understood why I'm doing what I'm doing, but I think his initial reaction was very telling about the way he (and I would assume a lot of other mental health professionals) feels about masturbation. And I get it, because some people feel unnecessary shame about sexuality and especially masturbation, but it led me to believe that it could be difficult for a pmo addict to get their problems taken seriously.
     
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  5. CodeTalker

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    I use an android app called habits to count pmo. I can have a very useful overview with it.
     
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  6. You know, I have heard that from other posters here, specifically that their therapist defended or didn't truly listen to the person's feelings about masturbation. Luckily, my experience was otherwise - I was listened to and was not told what or what not to do. But it took me years and years of seeing my therapist before I finally opened up about my PMO. I must say I was really nervous about it. It's too bad that you didn't get a more empathetic reaction.
     
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  7. ShadyPerson

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    It's good to hear that at least you received a good reaction. Gives me hope for other people seeking help.
    Luckily enough I was able to not let my psychologist's reaction to weight me down. I didn't need his help and knew I was right, so it didn't matter to me what he thought.
     
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  8. A psychologist is not supposed to influence your therapy session with their own beliefs. They're supposed to assist you through your own reflection on your self. Yes they can ask questions but IMO they're supposed to try hard not to taint your thoughts with their own.

    My psychologist has done a good job with that so far. That's why I'm keeping her. I haven't yet talked about PMO in detail (I just mentioned I was addicted to it, but I've been fully focused on my search for the root cause of my problems in life) but if she was saying anything like PMO or masturbation are OK it would be a deal breaker for me. She can think what she wants and that's fine, but she can't come and spoil my therapy sessions with her own beliefs. I would immediately consider it a breach of duty and I would tell her immediately.

    It's even more of a breach of duty from them to tell you compulsive masturbation or porn use is good, because OBVIOUSLY if you come to therapy it's because it's fucked up your life. I mean, it's a blatant disregard of your compulsive behavior that you're coming to see them and pay them to assist you to fix!

    PS: A lot of people recommend the use of a PMO spreadsheet or like to track your progress. The counter keeps people in an "all or nothing" state of mind, which is extremely bad to beat up an addiction (i.e. if you relapse, all is lost, so might as well binge the shit out of it).

    There were a lot of discussions in that respect on an old community called Your Brain Rebalanced, which was very much focused on rebooting. The Nofap community seems less focused on recovering from porn addiction per se. A lot of people share their fetishes instead of looking at the most efficient tools to truly recover. I don't know why the PMO spreadsheet thread is not "sticked" at the top of the Rebooting section.
     
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  9. ShadyPerson

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    Sure, but they are also supposed to challenge my thoughts. I think he could have handled it with a more open mind to what I'm getting at, but he didn't make any big mistakes. If I had went into it more and he would have kept insisting that his view is right, that would have been an actual mistake on his behalf.
     
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  10. OH ok, gotcha! I read so many people saying how their psychologist was trying to convince them to PMO and shit, that's where my comment was coming from :p
     
  11. ShadyPerson

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    Oh, ok, that would be totally inappropriate.
     

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