P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

I would say I'm 60% to 70% better, for sure, the improvement this time is tangible and I can compare to how I was a few months ago
those symptoms started to go away just in december of 2019 bro, that lets you know how bad my situation was. Anxiety wasn't so a severe issue for me although I certainly experienced it in a lesser scale, to me, the worst were brain fog, anhedonia, lethargy, flatline, no libido at all, energy, cognitive and mental impairment, no emotions, low physical stamina, muscle pain, back pain, emotional, psychological and physical pain, shallow breathing, insomnia

 

I’ve never binged either yet here I am. I started rebooting on October 28 2016 and made it 10 and a half months, then 3 months then 2 or 3 relapses over the next 6 months, then I had a 6 month streak and that ended with one big relapse 15 months ago. Since then I’ve slipped 3 times by coming across sexual content but the last time was feb 5 and again it was one glimpse and turned the phone off. This also caused withdrawal symptoms to return such as panic attacks and worsened pied. That was nearly 11 months between slips and here I am with another slip that was under 30 seconds and only included Facebook that still sent me into crazy withdrawals, suicidal thoughts, and a dead dick flatline. I’ve been going for over 3 years and under 10 relapses with streaks of 10-14 months completely clean and a lot of dating recently, I’m still not recovered and feel worse off than I ever have.

 

I haven’t mo’d in over a year. All hardmode. It wasn’t a relapse it was a slip I would say, I looked up a girls Facebook and scrolled for pics for a few seconds before I realized what I was doing and I stopped. That was it. Yet here I am. I had my first 2 successful sexual encounters in the 2 weeks leading up to that slip. I’ve never binged since discovering nofap either, all relapses have been one offs. Some were long sessions though, the last one being 15 months ago. Other than that it has been a few seconds of exposure and get away. That’s it. It slipped my mind for one second and I’m back starting over.

 

Maybe there's some psychological component to your problem

 

Have you ever been addicted to heroin? I have.

To say PMO withdrawal / PAWS are on the same level as heroin withdrawal is fucking ridiculous and utterly hysterical.

Comments like this do so much damage.

 

I’m willing to believe that there is a component there but that doesn’t explain why my dick was functioning before this and then felt like I was on the edge of orgasm for a week before hitting a flatline. I was doing great for 10 months, public speaking, performing live music, dating, feeling libido and drive. One brief seeking session flipped all of that on its head.

 

I have had opioid/opiate withdrawal that was like hell on earth, body discomfort, insomnoia, sick to my stomach, warm and cold, no sleep, anxiety, dark depression, shitting and vomiting after drinking and eating.

But for me I never experience PAWS with opioid abuse that lasted 280 days, like I had with porn. Moderate to severe opioid addiction cold turkey and quitting heavy porn use cold turkey is like a walk in the park compared to high dose abused benzos or pregabalin. Benzo's and pregabalin addiction destroys your mind and body almost beyond repair.

You just lose your whole soul, turn extremely psychotic (hearng voices about Satan and seeing 666 in everhthing) delusions (thought I was the new evil Jesus, son of the devil), deliriun, paranoid beyond this world. Severe suicidal depression, terror anxiety out if this world, nerve pain, 5 weeks no sleep, zero energy, rumination, racing heartbeat, agoraphobia, brain fog, confusion, soical anxiety, DP/DR, psychomotor retardation and many suicide attemps and a lot more symptoms. High dose pregabalin withdrawal was probably the worse for me. I was in the psyche ward for 5 weekss under heavy medication. After 4 months I was mostly healed, just a bit traumatized. Yet thse extreme withdrawals did not last as long as porn withdrawal for me.

Some people do however suffer extreme porn withdrawals and it can disable them. (Like it also did to me) It's just subjective.

 

A big typo here. (Again) what I meant is porn and opoid addiction withdrawals are like a walk in the park in comparison to high dose and high dose pregabalin withdrawal wheter they are abused or not. They last way longer, throw every neurotransmitter system out of whack and there are no medicines that can help you really that much. All you can do is taper down very slowly. There no no real medicines to really help you.

With opioid withdrawal you can still use some benzos, pregabalin, kratom, imodium, smoke some weed, clonidine and pregabalin/gabapentin to decrease most of the withdrawal symptoms.


Everybody is different tho and each has their own special kind of hell to go through to get better.

 

I am certainly not denying it can also be porn withdrawal.
As you guys can read in my comments I really am convinced porn PAWS do exist.

Just wanted to make sure for him he knows about the fact that it could be both and he WILL HEAL if he abstains from both PMO and benzo's.
Because, like you said: PMO (and edging especially) and benzo's are both very damaging and dangerous.

 

Bro.. I've heard straight from a heavy heroine addict, twice, and they abused heroine for years and had severe PAWS, they said emphatically that the PAWS from PMO were more extreme than heroine withdrawals

 

And those guys were the real deal and they knew what they were talking about, you could say they've been through hell and fire

 

I never took benzo or even smelt it, yet i have been through most of these symptoms from quitting pmo. I would say benzo withdrawals are worse based from what I've read on their forum. However heavy use and abuse from pmo are no joke either.

 

That just goes to show how the right mindset is the difference between failure and success
I failed countless times because my goal was to raise testosterone after a week of abstinence, and that was the best I could do, one week, most of the times I would relapse within 3-5 days
Only when I discovered the drug-like damages that porn does to the brain did I manage to get to where I am, and now the pendulum is swinging to my benefit

 

Same deal here. I didn't drink alcohol before this, didn't smoke, didn't take caffeine, didn't do drugs, and yet i have worse withdrawals than some drug addicts. This is completely insane.

 

O yeah the withdrawal is hard mentally and physically for me. 50 plus symotoms. The worst being aboslutely no energie, zero motivation, agoraphoba, tremors and shakes, massive anxiety extreme insomnia, DP/DR, bizarre scary dreams and racing negative mind and so on. It also took longer a lot longer for the symptoms to dissappaer.

And staying sober and fapfree when you're severely addicted is one of the hardest things to do. This addiction is one of the hardest to quit. I kicked all drugs and still suffer from PMO adddiction and withdrawals. I had to wuit multiple jobs.

The lucky thing with opioid and porn withdrawal is that you can't get psychosis. (Altough there are some reports on opioid withdrawal delirium)

 

Did you ever deal with palpitations when doing physical labor? And if so did it go away? Im about 6 months into recovery and still suffering from this, also i feel terrible when i exercise, these symptoms make me feel like a cripple 24/7 its very infuriating.

 

The reason im asking is the only person ive seen besides me with this symptom is saneagain.

 

I get heart palpitations all the time now that you mention it.

To be honest I only care about this crazy social anxiety, and the stress. Once this is over I can think about the other issues, but they are all minor, this anxiety is completely deliberating.

I genuinely feel so sorry for people who have to work with this or have a job that would mean meeting people on regular, or heaven forbid having to give presentations or something like that, Im financially secure, so have had what I assume a somewhat easier ride to some people.