What is truly pornographic?

Lust.

 

@aspiringwriter1997 @Love life family

The question is an excellent one, but the answer is hampered by language that is imprecise, and the fact that neurology is still pretty neW in studying and explaining "the problem," and did not exist when the problem was first identified as a problem.

To begin with, no one is addicted to "porn". We call it porn addiction because when, after the invention of High Speed Internet Porn, a lot of users started suggesting they were addicted to porn, people began using the phrase "porn addiction." "The phrase 'porn addiction" predates the neurological studies, and those are still fairly new, with more being conducted regularly.

By the way, this is true of all addictions, not just the one we call porn addiction. Whatever X is in Xaddiction, it is only the way a user triggers a neurological reward event, and X is not what is addictive; the neurological reward event is. No doubt porn, which allows a user to flood their brain with sexual thoughts, triggers a neurological reward event. Even before porn, sexual thoughts alone trigger the event. That event has a lot to do with our perception of reality and pleasure, and, I hate to say it, may be the basis of what we call love, not just lust, but love, liking. When you are young, and you like another person, or are in love with them, and you get that dreamy floating on clouds feeling: Neurological reward event/dopamine high.

In the beginning, it looked like porn addiction, it sounded like porn addiction, but it is not porn addiction, that is just the imprecise phrase we call it, and that is unfortunate. I think, in the future, scientists will develop more correct language to describe the problem. Right now there is a small debate about whether porn is addictive. That is an argument for the scientists, not us. We really do not care what words are used to describe the problem, all we care about is fixing it.

@Love life family just called it Lust. It is probably more accurate to call the problem lust addiction than porn addiction, but let's use a more scientific expression for lust. The thing that is addictive, if it is addictive, is the neurological brain reward human beings get for thinking about sex, and engaging in it, which I call a dopamine high. For most here, PMO is very effective at producing that neurological reward.

The neurological reward is ancient, and has been part of the species since before we were homo sapiens, but something recently altered the way we could obtain it, and that is HSIP. "Recently" is meant in terms of evolution of that part of the brain whose job is to encourage us to make babies. We could get the reward event with older versions of porn, and we get it naturally without porn at all, via naturally occurring sexual thoughts and sex. The evolved purpose of the neurological reward is to encourage not just sex, but, longer view, reproduction. Captain Obvious here, but the two most successful survival traits for any species is the ability of the individuals to survive, (which is why we get a reward event for thinking about food, tracking it down, and eating it), and making more of us.

Anyway, once you have conditioned your brain, via P, to obtain the thing you really want, the neurological brain reward, it becomes difficult to give it up, or, rather, live without the reward, via porn, because porn is more efficient than sex, for some, as a trigger to achieving the reward. Quitting is difficult because we perceive the neurological reward event as pleasure, and when we give it up, it does not just go back to 0, it goes to negative 10, aka withdrawals.

Thanks for posting, both of you. Thinking about the problem helps, and posting helps us think about it. I don't really consider myself an addict anymore, though in the beginning it was very helpful for to me to think I was. It gave a name to the problem, and I needed to identify a problem in orde to identify a solution. While quitting porn is necessary to overcoming the problem, one who has decided to quit needs to understand the problem is not only porn, especially in the quitting phase, at which time a user can use a lot of stimulation society does not deem "porn" to access their drug of choice, the neurological reward, the dopamine high. So, when quitting, do yourself a favor, and remember you are avoiding "sexual thoughts" of any type, caused by anything, not just porn, for your hardmode reboot. My advice for anyone here worrying about the problem, and everyone here is worrying about the problem, fix the problem first, then take your brain out for a drive and see what works for you, in terms of obtaining neurological events.

I no longer tell my girl "I love you." I look deep in her eyes and tell her "Baby, you trigger the most wonderful neurological reward event." OK, no I don't say that or I would not have a girl, just said it to see if you are still reading.

Much love.

WILL I AM 1ANDDONE

 

Thanks for that dedicated outpouring of yourself Will.
I saw a sign the other day that said "He has no fear who wants nothing."
Calming our desire to fulfill our hormonal directives and learning self control is a great cause for each of us.

 

Define....

'I had a good friend of mine send me some porn links last night'[/QUOTE]

 

If you need to ask this question, chances are you probably shouldn't be looking at it anyways. "Just a little p" or "just a little bit of edging" almost always ends poorly. If you want to stop, you gotta go all in and be hungry for that victory. Stay strong king.

 

There are non porn videos on porn websites but it would be impossible for us to go on there and not see porn (related videos, thumbnails, ads). Also the guys taking a piss may not have known they were being filmed. Some people get off on watching stuff like that.

If i go to the gym and take a shower and see naked guys, that's not porn to me. If I'm watching a video online of guys taking a shower at the gym that is porn to me.

 

pissing guys video, would be a just another open tab within the other 200 open tabs

 

Very well said

 

(imo) Pornography is not just that nasty stuff you crank to; it is a specific element found in every art form-- film, painting, books and music. If a mainstream Hollywood film, for example, contains obscene violence (or even violence in general) for the purpose of enjoyment, that is pornographic. In a word, something can have the element of being pornographic without even having to do with the thing we're all trying to quit. It doesn't even have to be sexual in my opinion.

 

Porn is everything that stimulates my sexuality in illegal ways.
Picture, movie,story, art, listening to neigbors, etc etc
And it does not matter through what medium:
Paper, audio tape, canvas, screen, including vr glasses, or even my own imagination (the mind)

 

From what I know, Lust is poles apart from love. The former is depleting, while the latter is fulfilling. In this sense, pornography is anything that appeals to the former and very much dependent on the perception of individual.

I understand pornography to be any work that triggers one's sexuality in a way that the person consuming it finds to be objectionable, whether or not he indulges in it. It is an individual stuff.

From the standpoint of society, It is the dictum of the society as to what is objectionable. We all agree to the fact that abuse of men and women in porn industry is objectionable. Laws have to be made to prevent child abuse. For the specific purpose of legislation, porn may be defined as sexual content shared to the public which the majority of the community ( government) finds to be objectionable so as to create laws in this regards.