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What is the Difference between Prostitution and Professional Pornography (if any)?

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Optimum Fortitude, Jan 21, 2020.

  1. Is there in your view a difference between professional pornography and prostitution, from an ethical perspective?

    I'm asking because I've been wondering. In both cases, it seems to me that people (especially women) do it for the money or because they're coerced into doing it.

    One major difference is that porn involves recording a sex act on camera for the whole world to see. Whereas prostitution is done privately.

    Another major difference is that porn involves actors and viewers, whereas prostitution rarely involves voyeurism.

    A third difference is that porn is safe (comfort of your home and anonymity) and free (mostly).

    Ultimately though, in my opinion, a porn actress is a prostitute. She sells her body. I don't see any ethical difference between being a prostitute on camera, a prostitute on the streets or at a brothel, or an escort.

    They all are selling sex.

    Because I don't see a difference between porn and prostitution, I sort of see myself as a prostitution consumer, only I act by proxy through a porn actor who fucks a prostitute for my sexual gratification (which is way more lame because at the end of the day, you don't even have sex). Porn is even more of a lie than prostitution.
     
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  2. Prostitution has many forms, we have been conditioned to see it in one way - abuse of women, ruined lives etc. However this type of prostitution has evolved as a result of current legal situation and prohibition.
    Prohibition of something inevitably causes problems, for example when alcohol was prohibited - it was sold on the street, and quality of what was sold left much to be desired, many people died from poisoning and health issues were widespread.
    Prostitution is as it is called "the oldest" profession. And it always played a role in society.
    Grim view of this profession comes from people who turn it in to a business. And only people who are willing to break the law are willing - so by default their morals are not as pure as we would like.

    So consider that fact that your view on prostitution is in a way biased. We are only shown "horrible" side of the situation.

    I think there is a big difference between pornography and prostitution, but I can understand how you feel they are similar.
    Prostitution is intimate and personal, prostitutes that know their craft become incredibly adept at helping their clients in way that go far beyond sex.
    Even when men buys sex, he gets a full complex human being and humans naturally interact on many levels. It is well known that men tend to share allot with prostitutes and in turn women try to give their opinion and advice.
    Sex is often small part of an encounter with a prostitute and some research has been done to indicate that prostitution, if properly executed can have significant emotional befits.
    I do not think that typical image of a prostitute we see in movies is representative of all. This profession has been suppressed, and it turned in to toxic mess we see as a result.

    Porn offers no interaction with the person, there is no connection, no emotion, no expression of worries and fears, no vulnerability one must feel during sex. Pornography is not even close to prostitution. It is flat and it is lonely.

    Comparing the two on ethical grounds is hard, in one case one person is involved so only his ethical principles apply, in another two people are involved and both bring their own ethics.
    In addiction we are close to pornographic content being completely generated, without any people involved. Development of artificial intelligence system in heading in the direction of creating completely authentic looking visuals purely computationally. So how can ethics be jugged in this case? What about situation where people involved in what eventually becomes pornography are unaware of the fact?

    Prostitution brings two people together, allowing them to interact in wide range of levels, and each participant shapes the interaction no matter what the context is.
    Pornography only involves one person and he/she alone shapes the interaction and outcomes. So he assumes all ethical and other costs and benefits.
    Interaction between two people is always better, than individual experience, people always change one another, and despite how it may seem - it is always for the better, even if it seems painful and shameful at the time.
     
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  3. Kligor

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    Prostitution is small business and that going privately.
    Professional pornography is big business and you can search them wherever you want.They don't give a fack even if they are on tv and whole internet.
    Personally i don't know which one is worst.
     
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  4. xwjbkw

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    Prostitution is the selling of one's body for sex. It engages in physical sex.
    Professional pornographers are simply professional legal prostitutes.
    Typically, prostitution is illegal in most places, but pornographers are not.

    Prostitution is done with, usually, strangers or clients.
    Sex in professional pornography has more structure, and everyone is an employee.

    Put another way, prostitution is prostitutes having sex with paying clients.
    Professional pornography is prostitutes having sex with prostitutes, while the "clients" are the people who watch the recording and do not have actual sex with the prostitutes.
     
  5. Thanks guys your contributions are so extremely insightful in my reflection on the roots of my shame linked to my pornography use.

    I have a very twisted view of realities because of my childhood upbringing. I was taught to believe that men are animals and that they're always the ones putting women on the streets and forcing them to sell sex, etc, so one should not partake in this business otherwise they will be amongst the abusers.

    Could you develop this point? I think it's what I'm trying to understand for myself and my role as a user in all of this.

    @xwjbkw It would be great to have your opinion on this too.

    I think we all agree, as xwjbkw said (Ronila correct me if I'm wrong), that professional porn is prostitutes having sex with prostitutes, while the client is the porn user (while with prostitution, the client is one actor).

    On that basis, with prostitution, both the prostitute and client seem 100% co-responsible at all stages of the process: they agree on the transaction, they agree on what is done, etc. This is set to be a "healthy" dynamic based on mutual consent where people take full responsibility. The guy or the girl can withdraw at any time and no one gets hurt. The woman gets the money and the guy gets some sex and human contact. With healthy prostitution, the man knows exactly what he's responsible for and if he's a good guy he'll treat the woman with respect and not feel any shame.

    On the other hand, professional porn is prostitutes being filmed while performing. The end user, who is the consummer, can only "live" the experience by proxy. He can only chose a scene and then watch or not watch. He controls nothing else.

    If there is a doubt on whether the people involved in the video are 100% consenting, should the end user feel responsible? If it goes beyond his limit, is he responsible if he keeps watching? If sexual acts bear an element of abuse, as is almost always the case in hardcore pornography (with or without consent, with or without coercion, we don't always really know) what is the user's role in this abuse? He's not doing what is being done in the video himself, but is he not a passive participant nonetheless.

    And the problem with porn addiction is escalation. We're driven to watch more and more shocking stuff even if we don't feel good about it. So are we responsible in hardcore stuff being produced? Are we passive actors? Should we feel ashamed about the fact that many girls get lured in and coerced into doing the porn we watch?

    So yea, I'm starting to see how in fact pornography can be and probably is way worst than prostitution. It's definitely more unhealthy though.

    And surprisingly, one is legal and almost limitless, while the other is illegal.
     
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  6. videeen

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    Well the difference is i think. But if you want to use porno i suggest to watch mild erotica videos, it nots so hard and etc.
     
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  7. fredisthebes

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    The difference is you, the viewer. Remove yourself from the situation and it isn't so different.

    'Pornography' does have a historical context that is far removed from what you and me think of as 'pornography' - erotic art and literature produced for satisfying curiosity, titillation and prurience, in a buttoned-up era. Most of which is quite innocent and sweet seen through today's eyes, some - eg Lolita, Lady Chatterley's Lover etc - is even recognised as great (or at least, legitimate) literature. A few examples (eg de Sade) are still shocking to this day.
     
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  8. ultrafabber

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    Thery are both prostitution and should be illegal
     
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  9. phwrancesco

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    First, in pornography you get filmed.

    Second, pornography may be considered as a totally different business since is based on streams and sales, while prostitution is let's say a "one shot".

    Third, pornography is requires some aesthetics canons such as light, positioning and and often more acting then prostitution.
     
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  10. Hexham C

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    Great question - you emphasize whether there is an ethical difference. In terms of ethics, I think the difference is small between the various forms of sex work (including P and prostitution). Healthy sex should be a connection between two people on a spiritual as well as a physical level. But P and prostitution is not even about sharing pleasure - a prostitute pretends to be getting pleasure, and so does a P star.

    For me, the ethical problem is that both prostitutes and P stars sell their bodies for money - which is horrible for them in many ways. Both prostitutes and P stars end up performing acts or being in situations that they don't feel comfortable with. Neither consent enthusiastically to everything they do. Women are harmed by both "professions". So I think they're very similar in terms of ethics.

    I guess porn is also unethical in terms of corrupting users, especially under-18s.
     
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  11. What moral responsibility do you take when you read a book? Most you can say is you will apply your morals to what is described in the book.
    If the book describes stories that you enjoy - how can people producing those be morally judged? What is your moral stake in reading them?

    lets say you have access to "morally correct" pornography. Lets say someone only hires people who really want to participate, they are paid very well, all safety measures are taken and people doing the work enjoy the process.
    How will that change your perspective?
    Will you then say - by buying this content I am supporting good people?

    The biggest moral problem people have comes from "people who were harmed in the process of getting this to your screen" you take responsibility for their suffering by consuming content.
    But we seem to be ok with not taking that responsibility for majority of things we buy and throw out. We seem to not care how clothes we buy are made by people who suffer horrific conditions and earn $5 per day.
    We seem not to care that food we eat is mass produced with huge cost of ecosystems and devastation of farmers.
    If you want to take more responsibility and to understand your role, then do so in all aspects of life not just porn.
    You will discover that lives of people are being destroyed in production and delivery of anything you touch, starting with your morning coffer ending with mattress you sleep on.

    Many things you use every day produce so much suffering for some people that if you knew - you would rather they suffered same treatment as porn models instead of what they go though every day.

    We are so selective, in what we want to see...
     
  12. For the producing people or for the user?
    Is there a difference between porn and prostitution? If we strip it back to the bones, we get the same thing: People get paid to have sex. So I would say, not. It's the same thing.
    Maybe sometimes people enjoy producing porn, but imagine a prostitute who meets a really good looking client from time to time, who is hot and she enjoys it?
    I think it is safe to say that both in porn and prostitution, in most cases, people do not enjoy what they are doing.

    Is it morally acceptable to prostitute or produce porn? I would say it isn't because it does not generate any added value for the consumer. It is based on addiction, dopamine cravings and anxiety.
    One would immediately retort that this is the case for tobacco firms, companies who produce unhealthy food and so on. Well from my perspective this is morally wrong also.

    The consumer:
    Is it OK to go see prostitutes and watch porn and is there a difference?
    It is not OK to do either because it harms us and we have a moral obligation towards ourselves to act in our best long-term interest.
    Is there a difference? No, not really. It's the same thing. Paying someone to have sex with, or paying someone so he has sex with somebody and we can watch and fap and imagine we are somehow involved? It's the same ting.
     
  13. No, because they still make an unhealthy product that is doing harm to the consumer. We have a moral obligation to contribute and improve our society. Porn is transforming people into addicts, it paralyses them, as they zone out in front of their screen, masturbating through life.

    It sounds bad, but $5 per day is better than nothing. I have lived for years in countries where people make just that and most of them are happy. This is how they slowly lift themselves out of poverty. It is not happening over night, but it does work.
    Mass production is what allows us to produce enough food for everyone. Thanks to this technological progress we feed billions of people. With automated labor very few people can produce the food for many, so these people can do something else. Getting rich, fighting poverty only works through increasing productivity. Now, we should take care of our environment but one does not exclude the other.
    You cannot focus on all the bad, and you cannot do background research for every product that you consume. Consumerism in general, not only porn, is morally not acceptable. It is decadent, to let ourselves go, over-consume and buy stuff that we already have or don't need. Btw. every religion is clear on that and each glorifies renunciation and sacrifice.
    But again, not every condition that seems horrible, actually is horrible for person's own standard.
    We have to, otherwise we would be overwhelmed by too much information.
    Our brains automatically filter out at least 70% of the information. It attracts our attention to moving objects for instance and deals "intuitively" with all the rest. Those are automatized, learned processes.
    We are only "aware" of the rest. And here again, we will try to make sens of something new that we see. We do so by trying to project it on our experience. Only if that does not work, we will start thinking.
     
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  14. I see nothing related to question posed to me by the OP, I honestly can not even see what I should comment on, its all generic.
    Porn is unhealthy...
    mass production allows us to produce enough food...
    $5 a day is not bad - it can be worse...
    we cant focus on bad...
    religion is wise...
    our brain filters information...

    Just empty generic statements, positioned as wisdom, zero substance...
    But thank you for letting me know what you think about things I did not say to you.
     
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  15. You're welcome...
     
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  16. Johnny Bozo

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    Ya the distribution technically is too in the US at least of hardcore under Federal Obscenity Law or was but it was always ignored by the Justice Department so I am saying like it cannot be sold online or anywhere under that law which I think is still a law but no one enforces it.
     
  17. Johnny Bozo

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    I think you said enough in the first post buddy.
     
  18. Good point. It's something to consider. I'm not sure what to think about it. I seem to have a particular issue with sexual violence or sexual coercion in particular. For me it's something that's worse than physical violence. I don't know. It's a good point though. I need to think about it. I thought about what you said about "healthy prostitution" and I even talked about with my therapist. I have a tendency to see everything in black and white, but things are often in the grey area.

    I trust you on that one.


    Basically now I see differences between porn and prostitution thanks to you guys. I also see that it's not all black and white. But fundamentally I think both are bad. Because they are mediums for us to act out when we feel sexual urges. But they are unhealthy mediums because they are based on a social lie. I still don't know why I feel so ashamed of my porn consumption.

    Do I feel more ashamed of my porn consumption? Or the fact that I'm addict and I have a huge problem because of it?
     
  19. juniormelville

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    How many people who prostitute themselves (men do it too) on camera or in private would choose that way of making money if they had other accessible options? How many of them really fit the ideal of the self-managed sex entrepreneur who is in control of him- or herself? How many, on the other hand, have been psychologically damaged in some way and drifted into compulsive unhealthy behaviour, like those who suffer in one abusive relationship and are then repeatedly manipulated by other abusers? How many are controlled, threatened, trapped and manipulated by others? I've seen women, hardened by suffering, teetering around intoxicated at eleven o'clock in the morning outside brothels in south-east Asia. They work on a production line with so many clients a day they probably can't even remember one day's clients. Is the porn industry any different? So many of us have used porn for so many years, haven't you seen a fresh young actress doing nice couple scenes one year ending up a year or two later with surgical scars from her horribly inflated breasts, grinding out sick, aggressive industrial porn, barely bothering to hide the defeat and despair on her face? Taking a moment to really look at what is going on on that screen from a human perspective is a rightfully disturbing experience.
     
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  20. This. And I don't know how to release the shame I feel for having jacked off to that shit. Sometimes, it seems that my pleasure came from the "defeat and despair on their faces". How sick is that.
     
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