P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

Not so sure about that. If a person struggles massively for almost a year or years, then relating to actual brain damage is not that far off.

Unfortunately I can't read at the moment, my brain is just not co-operating with me as I said a couple of pages back. All it takes is two pages of a book for me and my brain calls it a day or I can force it to read a couple more but it's a very tiring process. Table tennis sounds nice, I'll look into it thanks.

 

Did your brain scan show any type of damage on it?

 

There shouldn't be anything wrong in my brain.

EDIT: I should also add that I've had a healthy diet for years, I don't drink alcohol, never used any drugs and exercise regularly. I can't remember the last time I had crisps or soda. The only thing that's made my whole feeling worse is PMO. With every PMO session I've felt worse. When I started nofap two years ago it took me a few days to get well, then a week, then 10 days and then 14 days. Now I'm in uncharted territory. It's purely PMO related central nervous system damage.

 

My brain was so messed up from endless pmoing that I used to perceive images of billboards or people differently. I remembered 4 years ago that I saw a pic of a dude from a billbaord. I thought he had white beards. Fast 2 years after, he doesn't have any white beards whatsoever but they are black instead.

 

Maybe they changed the color. This is funny though.

 

None hasn't been changed in the photo.

Excess of pmo has caused bad eyesight. If you read Saneagain thread concerning PAWS, I went through most of the symptoms and mines seemed to last long of suffering.

 

Btw, is there any difference between PAWS and flatline ? I have noticed some people here on this forum use these terms interchangeably. In my opinion flatline means lack of libido, no desire for sex, penis being sort of dead etc and PAWS is a larger term covering many other withdrawal symptoms besides flatline. Am I right or flatline and PAWS means the same ?

 

Puting together jigsaw puzzles.

 

Holy shit I just read this guys original post on reddit and realized you sent me a PM from him, that’s super inspiring. Like seriously, he made a full recovery. For those curious:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/3sh5a7/comment/cwx9fbq?context=1

 

Take this with a pinch of salt - But this has been my experience of recent..

This is basically what I have been saying recently. I dont think any of us have PAWS to porn. Believe me I know the symptoms are identical and that when we relapse they can get worse. I had many fucking symptoms in my journey over 30 to 40. I know how shit you guys have it, believe me. But that guy and others on here started taking anti depressants and it took the edge off or made them miraculously feel better, even cured.

Just look at @BeanBurrito last couple of posts he like me wasnt getting hardly anywhere even though we were two years plus in. Now bearing in mind I was only abstaining from porn and didn't really make effective changes in my life in terms of changing it round a bit I was still smoking nicotine heavily on and off, drinking energy drinks/coffee, sleeping bad etc. It all adds up for me. I was exercising but felt like shit caffeinated and so on. Small changes in the right direction helps.

What I think we all have on here is clinical anxiety ramped up to the max or something along those lines, call it depression or whatever the fuck it is. The two years I had away from porn sorting other areas of my life like copious amounts of caffeine I had some remarkable healing in terms of symptoms. Still not all the way there yet with libido as my sleep is either here or there. I've had pretty bad sleep over the years as I'm sure you guys have as well and that can honestly play such a fucking detrimental downfall in your life and cause a whole host of symtpoms too especially with libido.

Why we are recovering from PMO and a sensitive nervous system it's best to cut out drugs, caffeine, smoking and any other shit that's gonna be detrimental. Prioritise sleep, exercise and nutrition and we should get where we want to be. Treat your body like a temple during this.

I'm honestly not feeling any different since all my relapses at all (not to start off a chain reaction) but I believe it's not as bad as I once thought with the withdrawal theory. I honest to god get more agitated giving up coffee than I do Porn nowdays.

New decade fellas. Dont sit around just abstaining like I did. Let's make it a memorable one.

 

I totally agree, there’s a high possibility of one just self medicating and numbing themselves with porn. I also agree that you need to cut out all other artificially stimulating habits. I quit coke, nicotine, and adderall successfully while still PMOing (and doing it even more after quitting those) but it felt like I didn’t get the withdrawals from any of those until I quit PMO. It’s like the other addictions were still alive and feeding off of PMO.

The reason I got so excited over that guys post is that the message he sent was in 2019, and he stopped taking the wellbutrin in May 2015. He only took it for 6 months. But I’m also going to be scheduling therapy and getting on higher dosage medication because why the hell wouldn’t you. Diversify

 

Good to see you're doing better man. But I have to disagree with you say that all of the sufferers here don't have PAWS from porn alone. Just because your subjective experience was not really caused by just porn alone, but by many other factors. I agree I have used a shit tons of drugs in my life and still drink quite a bit of caffeine, but I always feel like total shit after a PMO binge and orgasms. I know how many neurotransmitters and hormones react in my body and affect my mind. Because I'm a fucking drugged ex junky, supplement fiend and steroid abuser. And for me it just feels like a dopamine issue caused by overstimulation by PMO. I had multiple streaks were I felt completely healed. And guess what I did during those streaks? Smoking nicotine, drinking shitloads of caffeine, having tons of stress because of brain fog, drank alcohol.

Guess what I did not do? I did not watch porn, stopped having sex and did not have orgasms for over 120 + days. I never felt a more natural amazing feeling of calmness, gratitude, charisma, libido, motivation in my whole life. My dopamine and endorphin levels felt completely reset. Guess what happened after a couple of relapses? All negatives came back, the whole world started looking grey and depressed again. Sometimes withdrawals came right back to bite me in the ass.

See.... everyone is different. We all have a different genetic and epigenetic makeup and have been through different experiences. I always liked your contribution here, but please don't tell the dozens of PAWS sufferers here, it's not PAWS. It's true we addicts need to do more than simply abstain from porn. We have to strive to be healthier in the body and the mind, by eating healthy, eliminating artificial stimuli, recreation, socializing (if possible), exercise, less screen time etc.

 

I also had an orgasm yesterday and can never close an eye after that. Total insomnia a couple days after an intense orgasm. Also been on antidepressants during one streak btw. 30mg Remeron and 100mg Nortrilen. Did not help me one bit. Only made me more numb.

I also keep have to edit my spelling errors most times because this brain fog caused by PMO makes me type like an incoherent retard.

 

I appreciate you're saying. Having known about YBOP and being active on Yourbrainrebalanced for the best part of 8 years with these symtpoms (10 years varying levels) back then I come at this with a lot of experience. I've seen it all when it comes to this and have wondered myself every theory/hypotheses and lost countless nights sleep thinking about it. We could go round in circles all day talking about this and get nowhere.

I wont speak on the matter no more anyway.You guys will find your own conclusions through trial and error and by the time might of left these forums anyway.

 

Yeah we all have to find out what's wrong with us through trial and error. We all have to come to our own conclusion what's working for us, how our bodies react to lifestyle changes etc.

I have been trying to figure things out since 2012 when I was plagued by multiple symptoms, and quit all of the dopaminergic drugs. That did not work out untill I found nofap in 2013 and it worked multiple times. I always relapsed and also abused many drugs after that lol. The amount of drugs I took in my life is insane and have been through multiple withdrawals that almost killed me. I think I'm also one of the extreme cases around. There may be many more things going on with me after all the crap I put in my body. Epigenetic changes for sure. I still stand by the premise that porn is the thing that is holding me back the most in life.

Anyways, I will stop using this forum for a long time also. I think I shared my story as openly as possible, and know some people appreciate some of my content on the addiction subject. I will be limiting screen time and anabolic minds and bluelight are probably the only forums I will be posting on. Take care, beat the shit out of this addiction, keep searching for knowledge and fix your life! Peace out.

 

I too have been down that path of trying to figure this thing out from every angle and have come up with pretty much nothing. I have tried everything i could think of in my hopeful pursuit. These days ive found the best thing to do is to just bloody accept the way things are and try courageously to live our lives like normal people. We do know one thing and that is that things eventually start getting better with time, that is at least something to keep us going forward.

I believe i have reached the end of trying to solve the mystery of these symptoms. Months ago i decided to just let the process do what it must. The only other avenue i have not yet tried is antidepressants, which i am not willing to risk unless i truly need to. The side affects are mind boggling and i am not willing to interfere with the healing process unless things get out of hand.

 

Haven’t had a great day in 26 days been in heavy PAWS. I had to take a break from work today for 15 minutes because it was very busy today for hours on end and my anxiety got the better of me and I couldn’t relax and focus on one thing.

 

Yeah I'm pretty much in the same boat as you mate.

 

Sorry to hear that you are struggling my friend. How long have you been PMO free?

Only thing to do is to keep moving forward and hang in there

 

I completely disagree and my case disproves everything @Big Lebowski is saying.

I'm not repeating my story people can read up about it - but nothing applies with his theory to my case. I have PAWS from porn and sex addiction spanning nearly 15-16 years from age 14. All other possibilities have been ruled out, and the correlation between symptoms and NoFap is undeniable - my symptoms started when I started nofap.

For anyone reading this and wondering if PAWS is real; I have non of the other contributing factors that other people are conflating with PAWS; I am and have always been extremely healthy physically, I have no previous mental illness history of any kind nor does my family, Im financially secure and I'm extremely grateful for my life. So besides porn and sex addiction recovery and PAWS I wouldn't change a thing.

What @Big Lebowski doing is irresponsible and dangerous, imagine if PAWS is real, and people read his posts who are suffering, it will have a huge detrimental effect, people following his advice are much more likely to relapse or go back to porn. Its unfathomable how he is coming to his conclusions.