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Maladaptive Daydreaming

Discussion in 'Self Improvement' started by Nedved_43, Feb 6, 2020.

  1. Nedved_43

    Nedved_43 Fapstronaut

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    Hello guys and girls,

    I think this is the right forum for this...anyway:

    As this thread title suggests, I've been suffering from an intense trance-like state for the last 7 years of my life, in which time I've created a vivid parallel world filled with detailed characters (including a version of myself in a much more positive light), settings, constantly layered plots, sub-plots and so on. It is brought on by many triggers like music (a major one which I've completely stopped), random real-life experiences both past and present that I intertwine into my ever-evolving daydream, boredom, among others. Bear in mind I'm TWENTY-FUCKIN'-SIX.

    You may think that little schoolgirls daydream but this has honestly been worse than PM for me. I've no idea what brought it on - I had a major failure in my life around the time this started (I think) but I never thought the two were linked. Its been so many years now that I just go into this trance whenever bored, alone and/or extremely depressed and just continue for hours on end, wasting day after day without any care about what I'm doing to myself.

    I lose all sense of time and responsibility and have absolutely no qualms just slipping back into my own world, no need to interact with anyone - even my family. I've never actively talked to anyone about this and I've never seen a therapist in my life. Its early days but I'm much better nowadays at stopping myself every time I feel like I might zone out again - actively avoiding triggers has helped massively. But ultimately, none of it has helped my productivity or motivation.

    I'm totally new to NoFap and so far several of the success stories I've read have all been largely down to meditation and focussing the mind. I think this is what my problem actually boils down to - my mind is constantly racing. I don't help myself I know - I don't socialise anywhere near as much as I should - constantly moving around these past few years has meant I haven't held on to any of the friends I've made and I live alone. Being around people helps but I want rather more besides. I want to instil the discipline that I see in the people I look up to in myself. I've made several positive lifestyle changes recently (diet, exercise, this) and they have helped my mood (slightly) and confidence, but again I lack the motivation and focus I so badly need. I'm trying to get hold of a counsellor to speak to but I'm finding it nigh on impossible to actually find one so far - I'll will though and see if that helps.

    My main aim of posting this is to find any others who've experienced this - either now or in the past. If any of this resonates with anyone here, great, please share your experiences and if and how you've got over it. Besides that, I would love some advice, books to read, mindfulness techniques etc. from any of you gurus/overlords out there.

    Cheers for getting this far.

    Best of luck to all of you in every walk of life :)
     
  2. LifeIsAmazing

    LifeIsAmazing Fapstronaut

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    Hello there!
    I have maladaptive daydreaming from the very first day off my life, so you are not alone ;). I have also extremely poor focus, but I can't do anything about it.

    I can't really tell if maladaptive daydreaming is compulsion or addiction, but I'm trying to use maladaptive daydreaming as a tool for finding new ideas, because I can't resist the maladaptive daydreaming, and can not control it.

    I've tested every drug on this planet, and I would say that stimulants are working a little bit, but I hate the fast growing tolerance and addiction that tolerance can create. A dose of 27mg Ritalin was working for me. I took Ritalin one time a week and got a tolerance after about a month. \_ (°-° )_/
    Vyvanse has a better effect because of it's prolonged effect, but I wouldn't recommend any stimulants on a daily basis because of the highly addiction potential and fast growing tolerance.

    I just accepted my maladaptive daydreaming cause it's not even in DSM-5 and therefore there are not so many studies and totally no medicines available at all.
     
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  3. Nedved_43

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    Cheers for the response mate :) I've never even thought of accepting it in my life - for me that's not an option cos this is an escape for me when I should be out in the real world and also cos I have NO imagination whatsoever lol.

    This is a fairly newly diagnosed thing so I'm not sure any drugs out there will help - I read some OCD drugs help but in your case they didn't. Can I ask how MD manifests itself in your day to day life? Is there one recurring place/setting your mind drifts off to or are there several concurrent settings you choose depending on the situation?

    Good luck to you and congrats on your amazing streak!
     
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  4. LifeIsAmazing

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    I wouldn't say that there are places that trigger my MD. My MD is situation dependent; for example, if I perform a task for the first time, I don' t get any MD, but when I learn to do the task automatically, I perform the task automatically while having MD.

    My biggest trigger for MD is music and a comfortable setting, but I also easily get MD while running or going to school. So I would say that my mind is having MD all the time, except for the critical "fight or run" situations.

    I haven't really tested anti-OCD drugs yet, but I've done Fluoxetine for a period of 3 months without any positive effect.

    As I said, I've accepted my MD, but I'm sure that one day I will try to cure my MD as I did one day with my P & M addiction.
     
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  5. Man I don't have that "illness" myself but I saw a bunch of stuff about it on Youtube. Have you checked YT out foe useful information on how to stop maladaptive daydreaming?

    Also check forums. Maybe there are good books and materials to read.

    Also man you should start reaching out to a therapist ASAP. There must be something that can be done.

    Do you meditate or do mindfullness meditation? You have to learn to catch yourself in the process and getting out of it as much as you possibly can.
     
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  6. - the imagination is a wonderful place for forging new ideas, solving problem, even healing (for example visualizing healing) but sounds like you need a daydream 'diet':)

    Its not easy but I would imagine the first place is to start practicing mindfulness - don't get frustrated if you don't have success at first but 'mindfulness' simply becoming aware of your surroundings, breathing patterns, ect, will help you jump out of your internal thought loop.

    you can also have a healthy day dream - a calming place -set a timer and then come back out of it -this is actually recommended for medical visualization which i had some success with for a couple of disorders.

    You say music triggers it but as with drinking and pmo - there is probably a root cause you want to escape into this fantasy world ..so overall reducing anxiety might help.
     
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  7. Nedved_43

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    Music is the biggest trigger so I've cut that out for the last 2 weeks - has really helped. I need to see a therapist regardless but its hard getting hold of someone - I'm trying though! Thank you for your interest mate. Haven't tried meditating/mindfulness yet - I'm detoxing from a bunch of stuff atm but don't want to take on too much all at once. Its in the back of my mind though. Cheers and have a good day!
     
  8. Nedved_43

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    Cheers. Man it feels good to talk to people about this. The last 2 weeks haven't been bad at all for me but I want to make the most of all my free time now lol. I've discovered the Pomodoro technique to increase my productivity - its a bit hit and miss but definitely better than nothing. Also just bought the book Atomic Habits - cue, craving, respond, reward etc etc...
     
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  9. I really believe meditation is the ultimate answer and tool for a lot of our problems (daydreaming, fantasizing, overthinking, anxiety, addiction). It's the ultimate tool to living in the moment and being in our body instead of being lost in thoughts in our heads. It sounds all hippyish and I never ever imagined I'd one day promote meditation man. You gotta try it to believe it. Anyway you'll see it come back so regularly in your search for answers, you'll have to do it sooner or later! I'm talking but I've been failing to consistently meditate lately and it's bad!
     
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  10. Protagonist

    Protagonist Fapstronaut

    I've been suffering from maladaptive daydreaming myself. It is a demon which I'm unable to get kill or embrace. I feel more at peace when I'm daydreaming but it also means that I'm disrupting myself from the reality.
    People tend to slip into this alternate world when the reality seems to harsh or painful.
    I used to daydream a lot as a kid, but it never came on my radar as a problem up until now. Because Now, I daydream an excessive amount of time and I clearly find more solace in my imagination and it is definitely messing up my brain and my life.
    Daydreams are tenacious because they provide you with everything you can ever hope for. You can be anything in your fantasies and that is why it gets hard to get rid of it. It is way too pleasurable than your heartbreaking reality. But, if all you're gonna do is watch, then you're gonna watch your whole life go by without you.

    There's a movie "Secret life of Walter Mitty", there you can see that the man daydreams a lot because he has a pretty boring and dull life. But when he starts to do the things he never imagined of doing like climbing the Himalayas, having a fight with a shark, cycling and longboarding to a volcano in Iceland and stuff, the daydreams come less often and he is able to live in the reality more. Even his personality changes.

    You have to live the life that you want in your reality itself, and the daydreams will start to fade away.
    When you start to find solace in your reality your fantasies begin to tarnish. You have to get a grip or you'll forever keep falling in this abyss.
    You can start by doing the stuff you love, finding new hobbies, travelling to new places, meeting new people, spending time with friends.
    It's because you will always have a void in your life and it is your job to fill that void with stuff you want otherwise it will automatically be filled with negative things like daydreaming or porn.

    A bad habit is easy to have but difficult to live with meanwhile, a good habit is difficult to have but easy to live with.

    Remember that an idle mind is the devil's workshop.
     
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