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  1. 1Peter5:8

    1Peter5:8 Fapstronaut

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    I've been on noFap for like a week and still trying to figure this website out. I will give my 'condensed' story for context.

    I'm in my 40s, started with masturbating and lingerie magazines at 13. Ultimately moved into porn in college and was using porn 2-3 times a day as of a year ago (~27 years plus or minus). I've been married for ~12 years. A year ago my wife found out about my problem with PMO. She has forgiven me, and we are in counseling and on a path of recovery. Long term we will be ok but I need to get this PMO under control. I think it's relevant to note that the counseling has also brought up unresolved intimacy issues for her from before we were ever married and her faith itself. So she's healing through that and through us. I'm healing through this and learning to be a better husband/father/man.

    I have not looked at any 'fornication' porn, since last year but on occasion there has been visual use of female nudity. Which I go and confess as often as it's used. In discussing PMO there is A LOT to unpack, and it seems overwhelming at times.
    Porn, Masturbation, PE, Edging, Porn Substitues, etc., etc.

    I'm on a 'good' path of recovery but not great I have much more successes than failures. I don't have an accountability partner which hurts as there's so much I want/need to discuss.

    As an example Edging. I've read that edging is bad and can be considered by some 'worse than just masturbating to orgasm' because the brain keeps the dopamine levels high. Personally, I think edging to edge is bad. (i.e. I'm setting out to trigger those receptors and my goal is to keep myself on that edge for the high). But I think if you find yourself masturbating as part of the struggle and you prevent yourself from orgasming then it's good because you're fighting that temptation even though you've 'started' the process. I don't know, I'm not trying to justify edging, I'm trying to justify my actions in this battle against Satan and his lustful temptations.

    If anyone would like to take each topic above, maybe on a weekly basis and chat about them or want an accountability partner in central standard time. Let me know.
     
  2. dlansky

    dlansky Fapstronaut

    I am up for an accountability partner. I'm not exactly sure how we would make that work. For a while I was using an app called Nomo that let's you make your "sobriety" clock available to others upon your invitation, and it has a messaging function as well, so maybe that could be a way to do it. Or there has to be some site where we could meet regularly and just chat about where we are in our battle and elsewhere. It sounds like we are in somewhat similar life situations, and I know I am sick of this pattern of getting up and falling down again and again, and what I've been doing isn't working.

    As far as your edging question, I don't think I have a great answer. Obviously, starting the edging process itself is grave matter, whether or not it's worse than masturbation. If you are in a situation where you are already edging, however, and then you are deciding whether to stop and walk away or to go ahead and masturbate, I would think that walking away would be a better choice, because you are rejecting doing further evil. But if you're just going to sit there edging and not walk away, I kind of think it might be better to just MO and get it over with than to do that. I've had edging sessions that have lasted for hours, which is a long time to spend on something intrinsically evil, and usually it leads to MO'ing anyway, where if I'd just MO'd in the first place, it would have taken a few minutes.

    But to be honest, usually I end up edging because I'm lying to myself, telling me that what I am doing is okay because it isn't MO'ing, until I'm so aroused that I feel like I need to release. It's a path I can't be going down in the first place.
     
  3. 1Peter5:8

    1Peter5:8 Fapstronaut

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    Yeah, I'm not sure what that looks like either. I can't really text, because on occasion my wife will check my phone. (paranoia more than anything, because I never texted anyone in regards to my PMO issues). No interactive porn, escorts, anything. Just whatever I could find free. But if I had a text thread talking about my issues, it could bring up lots of tough conversations. I think there's a messaging feature on the Victory app that I use but I'd have to check it out.
    I do find it interesting. For the most part I never sat down to edge. It was like i'd be sitting here, my mind would wonder and next thing I'd start fantasizing and just start. Then you get into this, oh this sort of feels good, and I know where this could lead and what that dopamine hit is gonna feel like. So just keep going. But then my mind snaps back to, "NO STOP". So it's this keep going, no stop, keep going, no stop cycle that I've gotten caught in. Many times, I've been able to stop (after a longer debate in my head than it should have been). But then sometimes I've failed. Right now, I'm on a really solid 12 day streak. And plan to keep going with all the prayers of this group.
     
  4. Tempus Fugit

    Tempus Fugit Fapstronaut

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    For my part, I think edging is bad since it feeds the part of the brain looking for the PMO release. I also think that it is better to stop edging before orgasm than to go through with the orgasm. Anything you can to do practice discipline and reign in your desires leads to growth.

    A key for me was when I realized that PMO hurts myself and my close relationships, even if I can get away without being caught. With the help of a counselor, I wrote out my own action plan for moments of temptation:
    -Recognize that I'm experiencing a temptation (this is not a trivial step!)
    -Stop and breathe. Relax. Calm down.
    -Ask what I'm feeling and why I'm doing this. Sit with the pain and the feelings of emptiness. Confront them.
    -Think about what a man does. A boy loves only himself and selfishly jerks off. A man loves others and thinks of them. He can deny himself for the good of those he loves.
    -Change my environment. Go somewhere else; get out of my room; go outside; do another activity; anything!
    -Cold shower. This is a great shock to the system and breaks me out of my pattern of thinking. If you commit to a cold shower, do it without thinking about it. Don't give yourself a chance to back out.
     
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