When you masturbate without porn somewhat porn thoughts come in to your head?

She knows I'm doing it, but she's a bit indifferent to it tbh. We have lots of sex anyway.

 

I've been considering this question lately too. 73 days in now and honestly I haven't really missed the masturbation bit for the last month or so. Generally it's not something I even think about on a daily basis, which is a huge turnaround for me who hadn't gone longer than a couple of weeks previously.

I do occasionally get the urge when the wife isn't up for it or things happening which stop us. Been quite a bit going on with house move etc at the moment, so it's not the best mood setter.

I kinda worry that it would be a slippery slope if I did masturbate, and would end up fantasizing about the pmo stuff eventually leading back to it all which I really don't want. I guess I'll just have to see how things go, but I'm inclined to say I won't do it even after the 90 days. It's not like a magic number anyways, maybe one day I'll feel like it won't lead back to porn and that would be a final turning point. Until then I think I still consider myself "in recovery".

 

Yea, not surprised. Not everyone understands people who do NoFap. But that's why were' here, because we know what it's caused for us. It's your journey, not anyone elses.
Infact that's a criticism I have of some people who are in relationships and try to involve/inform their spouse. They act like it's a journey for "both of us" when in reality it's just you. Your spouse isn't going to be your accountability partner; infact the very idea of "i'm not going to orgasm for several months" is kinda shocking when you put it into a marriages perspective anyway.
In your scenario, you're getting lots of sex, which is a good thing. You and your partner are bonding pretty well it seems. But don't worry man, we support you in your No PMO goal.

 

IMO it is unhelpful. It perpetuates the thought pattern of getting instant sexual gratification when no one else is present.

I do not understand why you are masturbating considering you have "lots of sex".

 

I meant once I'd recovered that I may want to MO again , say if my wife isn't up for it...but I don't know if it's worth it.

 

i have been thinking about it too for me mo w/o p doesnt seem interesting enough to try out its not that rewarding but the only thing here is again chaser effect to get same high u may relapse multiple even w/o p or may crave p after 1st relapse dangerous path but i think i am gonna try it out.

 

yes, indeed

 

Jerking off constitutes a man being bisexual and leaning to gay if the ratio of jerking off / intercourse is too skewed. The thing is, there is no proof masturbation has ever been common, it's just a myth that took off along the sexual revolution in the US. Masturbation is still uncommon in many parts of the world and it varies from country to country. More so, masturbation is extremely, extremely rare in other species.

Jerking off 100% contributes or consolidates homosexual orientation and no, the acceptance of homosexuality is not the only reason for it's rise. It's porn and more specifically masturbation that contribute the most.

 

Depends how you're using it. If you use it to stroke your penis, that's just jerking off with a few extra steps. Humping it without a case actually feels like sex. In the former, you're still playing the role of the active woman and passive man, in the latter you're the active man (penetrator) and the "woman" is the passive one, as is natural.

 

Have you much experience with them btw? Wondering whether to buy one, had one years ago but only used it twice. Interestingly I never used it whilst watching p0rn! So it didn't get me off.

 

Skaterdew, before I ever viewed porn , I only masturbated 3 times a week usually, going a week without it if the circumstance was right was easy.
Porn has eventually waned me to the point that on days I do it, 3 times within a short hour period is the average. Going a day without it feels like a week.
So I agree, I think men would've masturbated a lot less than we do now. Something like once every 8 days, to twice a week. Then when they were busy, probably never.
Craving porn feels different than craving masturbating. You crave the images and the high alone, and not the pleasure of it.

 

Bought one about 2 months ago. I use it with no plastic casing, just humping it. I actually started feeling pleasure like this, i have had severe sexual anhedonia during PIV for as long as i can remember.

Interestingly enough, i found it very weird at first. Likely because i was using it to jerk off with it instead of humping it. Then 2 weeks in during humping i started getting some sensation and 1 month in i started getting actual pleasure. Since then i lost any drive to jerk off. I forced myself to but it wasn't going anywhere, it was a 180degree reversal, i was feeling the same way as i used to feel during piv.