#JusticeForJohnnyDepp

Also, another point is that she consistently doesn't act like someone who is a victim of abuse.

Tell me, if your spouse is insane and violent and abusive toward you, and you wake up and hear them throwing things around in the kitchen, would you seriously go in there and videotape them? I'm sorry, but if you are afraid of them, you would NOT do that. That would be asking for a beating.

My husband is incredibly kind and wouldnt hurt me ever, and if I heard him throwing stuff around because he was pissed off, I would stay away until he calms down. I can't imagine intentionally walking into that situation to start an argument with a person who has supposedly been abusing you. That makes no sense.

 

I think that seems kind of heartless. Would you say the same if the genders were reversed? If an older woman foolishly married a young man who physically and verbally abused her, and then he accused HER of abuse and people believed him and she lost jobs and was demonized by a ton of people for something she never did? When she was actually the victim?

Sorry, but that just seems wrong to me. A lot of people make foolish decisions about relationships. That doesn't mean they deserve to be physically abused and have false allegations of domestic violence spread against them. I think if this was someone you knew personally, you would probably be a lot more sympathetic. Everybody makes mistakes, but they don't deserve this.

 

Well, I don't see him as an "old, foolish celebrity." I just see him as a person who was abused by his spouse.

Neither of those are the same thing at all, but okay.

I mean, it really doesn't sound like you do to me, but if you do, then good. You should.

Alright. I wasn't really framing it as something people should be crying about for years. Just an example of a situation that needs to be considered and taken more seriously than it is.

I think it comes down to personal responsibility. If everyone who saw stories like the video posted a few comments above, that Amber came out with years ago, and we all personally responded by saying "that video doesn't show any abuse, and we can't judge this man without knowing the context of the situation," then we would be better off.

It makes me angry for so many reasons. The injustice on Johnny's part is the most important, but also important is the fact that women like this make it harder for women who actually have been abused to be believed. It's just all around horrible, and it's crazy to me that there are still so many people supporting her and condemning him, even after all this has come out.

 

Again, that's not the same thing. Amber isn't a prisoner. She was a seemingly normal person when they got together, I would assume. So I don't see how that is the same. But I don't want to argue back and forth about it. You can have your opinion, I just disagree with it.

Why do you keep saying stuff like this? Nobody here is doing that, and it's completely irrelevant. You're literally just minimizing his victimhood because he's famous. That's really unfair. I couldn't give two craps about him being famous. I would care about this if it was about some random dude off the street.

Sorry, but I just think this is a really stupid take. Talking about this issue, and getting justice for Johnny, is not just about him. You just said there are probably many other men in worse predicaments than him who will never be heard. Yes. Exactly. That's exactly what this is about. Every case like this needs to be taken seriously, so men will be heard.

I just really don't understand why you need to make it so clear that he did a bunch of stuff wrong too, and that you don't have as much sympathy for him as other victims of other crimes. Why is that even worth saying? I don't mean to keep harping on gender, but I honestly don't think you would be speaking the same way if the genders were reversed, or if this was someone you knew.

Your line of thinking sounds a lot like people who don't care when prostitutes are raped, because they were "asking for it." You're doing a whole lot of victim blaming here, and it's baffling to me that you don't see that. But I don't know how fruitful it is to keep going back and forth if that's how you feel. I will just have to disagree.

No. But you would be a pretty bad person if you seemed "meh" about the fact that she might get breast cancer, which is kind of how you're coming across about this. You keep saying you have sympathy for Johnny for being abused and having false allegations ruin his name, but then you continuously victim blame him and say "but I don't care about this as much as other people." That's just wrong to me.

It's wrong to have an idolatry for celebrities, but to me it seems as if you have too much of a bias against them or something. They're people too. If you would care about your neighbor being in this situation, then you should equally care about Johnny being in this situation.

That's literally what this situation is doing, though. How can you not see that? The reason it can be a good thing when situations like this come out about celebrities is that it's sooo public. Personally, I think it's kind of a good thing that people can actually listen to a woman employing the same domestic abuse tactics that we always hear about men doing. Because for some stupid reason, far too many people think women are incapable of that.

This case is highly publicized, and how it is handled will set a precedent to the rest of the world. If Johnny doesn't get justice, that will tell all the regular male victims out there that "geez, if Johnny Depp can't even be taken seriously, who the hell is gonna listen to me?"

It's one case, yes, but you're totally missing the bigger picture here. This has started a conversation about a lot of really important issues, and as I said, what the courts decide will set a precedent. Judges know that. That's why they sometimes choose to make an example out of someone, because they know the world is watching, and they need to make it clear the things they will and will not tolerate.

No, you definitely don't, which I think is unfortunate. It's unfortunate to me to watch a woman victim blame a man for being in an abusive relationship, and have little sympathy for him because he made some poor choices. I thought we were moving past that in our society.

 

Yeah. Exactly. We know nothing about their relationship. To so boldly declare that he knew she was a nut job before he started dating her, is rather ridiculous.

Not to mention the fact that even if he did, that obviously doesn't negate the fact that abuse is wrong and we shouldn't be so damn focused on what the victim did wrong in the situation. Geez louise, it's no different than asking a woman what she was wearing when she got raped.

Yes, exactly. This is exactly what's happening. Tons of people are talking about this.

I just find this argument really strange, because I feel like if we were talking about something different, we wouldn't be having it. For example, the #MeToo movement.

When celebrities speak out about their experiences with sexual assault or harassment, it emboldens those who admire them to feel confident to tell their own stories. (Don't get me wrong, I think the Me Too movement has a lot of issues, but this particular part of it is s good thing, I think.)

When Terry Crews spoke out about being groped and violated, it gave a voice to other men who believe the stupid lie that they would be weak or cowardly to speak out about their own abuse. This situation with Johnny Depp is no different.

Johnny Depp is a pretty tough dude. For men to see a guy like him being open about the fact that he was domestically abused by his wife, and that he deserves justice for that just as much as a female victim would, it speaks volumes! It tells other male victims that their pain matters and that if Johnny Depp can do it, so can they. And that wouldn't happen if he wasn't a celebrity.

This might even save men who don't even know they're being abused from those unhealthy relationships. They might listen to that audio and think "wow, this is exactly the kind of gaslighting my girlfriend does. Maybe this isn't a good relationship."

Women have so many examples of these situations, and there are so many shelters, conferences, educated counselors, speeches, etc to educate women on what an abusive relationship looks like, so they can avoid it. I don't think men have gotten the same, which is very unfortunate, considering men statistically are victims of domestic violence pretty much just as much as women are. But we never see the examples of women gaslighting and victim blaming and making their victims feel as if somehow it's their fault that their partner is hitting them. This audio from Amber shows all of that, and I think it's so important for the world to see.

I wish Johnny didn't have to go through this, but at the same time, I also think this whole thing has the potential to do a lot of good toward helping male victims.

 

Completely agree. I personally don't believe in divorce, aside from cases of abuse or infidelity, but that has nothing to do with anything. My personal opinion about Johnny Depp's life choices have nothing to do with him being abused and that being wrong.

 

Okay, we agree on that. I guess I'm just confused why you keep continuously talking about how little sympathy you have for Johnny Depp, talking about all the things he's done wrong, etc if that's the point of what you're trying to say. It seems counter productive.

I'm sorry, but you have said so many contradictory things here. So it's hard to follow what your point is. Someone who comes in basically saying "sure, this is bad, but I'm not losing any sleep over it," doesn't really seem like someone who believes all the things you're saying now.

Sorry if I've misunderstood, but I don't think you've been very clear. If you care so much about this issue, then I don't understand why you would say so much negative stuff about the victim in the situation. Like I said, it seems very counterproductive.

Uh, no. I haven't done that at all. Just because I'm talking about this specific case does not mean I'm maximizing it above others. This is just the specific case that is currently going on and being discussed.

I don't want to argue. Twice in my previous comment I mentioned that it probably isn't worth arguing about. I don't enjoy arguing.

Geez louise, what a nitpicky thing to complain about. There is literally a hashtag going around on Twitter about this issue. That's why I titled the thread that. I didn't create this story, and I didn't create the hashtag. I'm just discussing it. And again, I am not maximizing anything. I'm using it as a jumping off point for further discussion. I don't know why you can't see that, but whatever. If you want to focus in on such a tiny detail as what I titled the thread, rather than focusing on the actual message I'm trying to discuss, go for it I guess.

Again, you're being so needlessly negative. I was absolutely not going to respond that way at all. I don't know why you think I'm the one who is making this into an argument....

Neither do I. Geez, again, so needlessly negative and insulting. I merely heard about a story, saw pretty compelling evidence, and thought I would share it to start a conversation.

I hear about stories like this all the time. I do not, however, always have this much publicly shared evidence to discuss such an issue. So I thought I would talk about it. You're making all kinds of implications that I don't care about other victims, or that I need it to be someone famous in order to even hear about it or want to talk about it? That's so ridiculous. I just posted a damn thread about a story I heard.

My gosh, I don't know why this has devolved into this, but I'm kind of done with it. If you agree with the basic premise that this is an important issue that should be discussed, great! That's all I'm trying to do. So... let's leave it at that.

Lol seriously? Are you serious? Then what the heck have you been arguing about this whole time? I seriously don't understand this at all. I have no idea what your problem is with anything I've posted. You say you agree with me, but then you respond negatively to everything. It makes no sense to me. But whatevs. You do you, I guess.

 

I'm really super done arguing about pointless nonsense, like whether or not I should have used a different title for my thread, or how we should discuss things in general instead of a specific case, etc. If you agree with the actually points I'm talking about, there's zero reason to be picking a fight over dumb stuff like this. I won't be responding to anything more unless you want to talk about the actual subject, instead of nitpicking tiny details and semantics.