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Straight Pornagraphy is Gay / Eradication of the gay fetish

Discussion in 'Compulsive Sexual Behavior' started by Rustcan45, Feb 19, 2020.

  1. Rustcan45

    Rustcan45 Fapstronaut

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    Background info: Many men on this site claim to be straight while simultaneously claiming to also watching gay pornography.

    Observation: The common denominator amongst all these men is the use of straight pornography.

    Theory: Pavlovian Conditioning of watching men penetrate women for years and years has conditioned men into being aroused by dicks.

    Reason: Penis is the neutral stimulus whilst the orgasm is the reinforcement. Thus these men have been unconsciously getting off not only to the female but the penis aswell.

    Extinction: If these men were to watch female only porn without any use of penis whatsoever, then they would disassociate penis with arousal.

    Complications: men who already lack self control are unlikely to go through with this.

    Conclusion: Porn is the problem but porn is also the solution. Abstinence does not eradicate fetishes only postpones.
     
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  2. RockyRonaldo

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    I’m guessing you’re right but also not using porn and substituting it with fantasy should work even better I think
     
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  3. Rustcan45
    I strongly disagree.
    Well if it were like you say so every persons that watch normal straight porn in internet suffer from gay condition so they have gay desires now...?!
    Know that porn is one of the websites with more views in internet and allmost everyone use internet in this days so you are try to say that more then 50% of the persons in the world currentlly has became gay condition because watching normal porn... noooooo... i dont think so...
    Just because you are watching normal straight porn dont mean you are looking or interesting in the stuff from other males persons... and yes can be one open door if you allow...
    If you dont enjoy and you really dont want, everytime you watch gay porn it will remember you what you dont enjoy it..., so here everytime you watch you are condition yourself more and more that you really dont want and dont enjoy it...
    You can enjoy penetration with one woman but that dont mean you enjoy to be penetration or have gay sex.
    I think the real problem in all this is be gay is one "option" and persons forget this and many dont bealiver this and is real, there are persons that leave this gay world, they just dont show this in tv and when they show it looks one scandal in this days, it's ridiculous...
    Just because you can have one temptation or one day something come to your head dont mean you want or chose to be like this... like just because you want to eat one potato dont mean you need to eat the potato you have the option to eat other stuff.
    And i dont think watching female gay porn will be some cure but probablly will make you more confortable with this gay idea and homosexuality and then maby receptive and open to this stuff...

    There is a difference between what you want to do and what you should do...
    Now abstinence will give you education and control yourself bether and if you learn to control yourself you are the owner of yourself so you can bether release what do you want and go to what you know you shoud do it... and you really want to do it.
    And other more benefits...
     
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  4. Poseidon

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    Bi and gay men existed before porn did. How’d they become attracted to other men when they didn’t have access to such stimulus?
     
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  5. Rustcan45

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    No, I do not think men who watch straight pornography are gay nor do I even believe straight men who have developed a gay fetish are homosexual either. However; watching men penetrate the women you find attractive certainly doesn't make you any straighter. I simply suggested that one who consumes straight pornography is being conditioned to like penis unconsciously without their knowledge.
     
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  6. Rustcan45

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    My post was in reference to straight men with homosexual fetishes only. The nature of gay men I do not know nor do I try to explain.
     
  7. DrabToLight

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    Your point is well made.

    For myself, it would be too much like "the hair of the dog that bit you". Meaning porn to solve the problem porn created would be dangerous.
     
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  8. Rustcan45

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    Of course, this is just my hypothesis. From my personal experience with a much worse fetish many years ago, this was how I got out of it naturally. My fetish [different genre] deeply disturbed me. I decided it was morally wrong and no matter what I wouldn't look back. Everytime I was horny I watched vanilla porn and got off to it even if I didn't want to. Sometimes it took 30-40-50 minutes to ejaculate just because my mind was always focused on what I wanted to watch. Eventually after many months, my mind disassociated from the old fetish and I haven't looked it up since. Nofap is still the hardest goal I struggle with today but at that time I knew the priority I had to set first and that was eliminating that fetish from my life before I could continue nofap.
     
  9. DrabToLight

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    Very well made points. It really does seem as if p extends my range of fetishes. Which is why I want to avoid p.

    I'm glad you are feeling better about yourself.
     
  10. And i say "and yes can be one open door if you allow..."
    I think...
     
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  11. I disagree too, you harm your brain cells by watching all kind of porn.
    Total abstinence from porn is the key to returning to normal, trust me.
     
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  12. Veritech

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    Not quite following your argument...

    First, are you saying that lesbian porn is not "gay"? Two members of the same gender having sex with one another is the very definition of "gay".

    Second, why dissociate the penis with arousal? If the penis is not aroused, heterosexual penetrative sex cannot occur, regardless of the woman's level of arousal.
     
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  13. ultrafabber

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    I have made the exact same argument a while ago. Yes, "straight porn" is not straight at all, it is 100% BIsexual and will trigger homosexual arousal. It's very basic classical conditioning. Anybody who thinks it's not bi/gay has no basic understanding of how the brain works.

    The same applies to jerking off, which is not even bisexual but homosexual. You're stroking a penis to get and stay sexually aroused.

    The bigger offender is jerking off.
     
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  14. Mistersofty

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    Thought you were the OP under a different user name, but apparently there’s someone just like you. You guys just might become BFs.
     
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  15. According to your logic, having a penis is gay. How far do you apply this? If I touch it, does that make me gay?

    Sexuality is not defined by the porn someone watches or the fetishes they're into. Gay describes people whose enduring physical, romantic, and/or emotional attractions are to people of the same sex. It is simple as that. Getting aroused by your own penis or by penetration has little to do with sexual orientation.

    Furthermore, the penis IS meant to be aroused! That is what it's there for... Biologically, it doesn't care if you stroke it or something else does, it's purpose is to release semen and fertilize eggs. It feels good so you'll want to do it in the first place.
     
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  16. Rustcan45

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    I agree with you 100% that pornography is bad. Yet it won't detach fetishes from a man completely. From my experience and from what I've heard, abstinence doesn't get rid of extreme fetishes it only suppresses them.
     
  17. Rustcan45

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    Lesbian porn is lesbian porn; gay porn is gay porn. That's the consensus.

    I was saying disassociate the penis with arousal of another man's penis. Not arousal in general.
     
  18. Rustcan45

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    Yes, classical conditioning; it seems quite clear. Yet I dont follow your point on jacking off being an "offender" at all. I don't look at my penis when I'm masturbating because I'm looking at a screen so I'm not sure.
     
  19. Rustcan45

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    Classical conditioning is very basic psychology. It's not that we are odd men out but we just share a single piece of common knowledge.
     
  20. Compulsive porn users often describe escalation in their porn use that takes the form of greater time viewing or seeking out new genres of porn. New genres that induce shock, surprise, violation of expectations or even anxiety can function to increase sexual arousal, and in porn users whose response to stimuli is growing blunted due to overuse, this phenomenon is extremely common.

    Your fetish is most likely porn induced.
    https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/rebooting-porn-use-faqs/is-my-fetish-porn-induced/
     

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