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Fully clothed hotties = my weakness.

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Neckbeard, May 14, 2015.

  1. Neckbeard

    Neckbeard Fapstronaut

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    Day 9.

    Had my roughest night ever last night. Stayed up til 4:00 in the morning watching PG-13 yoga pant-type videos on YouTube. I'm doing great refraining from hardcore p, but girls in tiny shorts and miniskirts are driving me absolutely insane.

    My question- how harmful is this on the brain? Surely it isn't as dangerous as high speed p browsing, but it sure seems like a bit of a step backwards.

    Worst night yet.
     
  2. It's a dopamine hit for sure and will probably set you back in your reboot. I don't think it matters whether the women are clothed or not... if you are lusting at them it is a dopamine hit and reinforcing those pixelated women= orgasm pathways in your brain.
     
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  3. radiofoot2020

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    I have been doing similar things. I've been good about no hardcore porn, no softcore porn, etc, but I've let myself look at thumbnails of tasteful art nudes and watched TV shows like Game of Thrones where I knew there was going to be nudity.

    And here was the weirdest one: I was reading ARTICLES about sex scenes that didn't even include pictures. This is how hell-bent the addict in me is on getting me off the wagon again.

    My advice to you is this: ask yourself what part of you wants to be watching these videos. If you're like me, it's the part of you that WANTS you to fall off the wagon. That's the cycle of a recovering addict. You tell yourself you can just have a little and it will be fine. But really, every time you have a little you're teaching yourself that a little is okay, and then a little more, and pretty soon you're convincing yourself it's okay to fap because of some completely illogical reason.

    The only way to silence the urge is to teach it that it will never be listened to.
     
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  4. ChangeofDavid

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    I found a Victoria secret magazine today and browsed it. Not proud of myself but at the same time its been a while since I cared. Try and keep electronics away at night.
     
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  5. Buzzltyr

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    Well I hope you don't binge after the relapse and just pick yourself up and move forward! All the best.
     
  6. Buzzltyr

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    From what I have learned till now, it does not matter what you watch. In fact you don't even have to watch anything, just fantasizing is also enough to give you the dopamine hit that your brain is craving for. If you are truly serious about healing stay away from anything that is not real.

    Questions to ask yourself:
    1. What need is this activity satisfying? This will help you identify the triggers e.g. boredom, stress, anxiety, loneliness etc.
    2. Do I recognize this activity as something that will harm me? Your brain will try to convince you that a little bit of a dopamine hit is fine. It is not! You have to be able to feel why you are doing the reboot....all the negatives you are trying to remove from your life (the stick!) and the positives you hope to achieve (the carrot!).
    3. Are there other tasks that I can be doing to relieve my trigger factors (e.g. if boredom is your thing maybe you can find an activity that will improve you in some way; like learning a language or practicing a musical instrument).

    Speaking from my own experience, I think I find it hard to not have any mental stimulation. I cannot just sit and relax and let my mind be empty. Earlier those small time gaps of free time would be my downfall. I would decide to browse for 5 mins, which would become 30 mins and very soon a couple of hours would be gone. Now I keep a ready list of tasks to complete and when I have any time, I try to get one of those done.
     
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  7. Adam33

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    I know how you feel.
    Miniskirt, pantyhose, leggings... I was alternating videos of girls(not always of the right age :( :( :( or even milf dressing in this way and acting provocative to video hardcore pretty disgusting.
    Yet removing the hardcore was easy and I was having more desire for the other crap.
    The more I staid faithful to my goals and the less desire I have for this fetish. My mind is much healthier in this sense. Before I was maybe seeing a hottie in the street and automatically thought "ok I have to go home to masturbate".
    Stay strong, it will fade.
     
  8. fapequalsdeath

    fapequalsdeath Fapstronaut

    Man... models > porn, they make them look godlike with those camera angles and makeup/lighting. Just quit any provocative content please no exceptions!
     
  9. Neckbeard

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    Thanks. I know the lust is wrong but wasn't sure whether or not it was actually setting back my reboot or not. According to the majority here, it certainly is.

    What about girls in reality? I've been talking to a ton of girls in the past few days, and yes, my mind wanders then, too. Doing dirty things in my mind to girls in public (which I'm having a really hard time suppressing) surely can't be as harmful as their pixelated counterpart, right?

    1. Yes, those are all of my triggers. Now what? Just a matter of time? I'm working hard on all of those and making great strides. The loneliness just seems overwhelming at times and makes me question many things, including why I'm doing this in the first place. My optimistic stance luckily greets these negative thoughts in explaining to myself that I will ultimately always be lonely with PMO.

    It isn't even models. It's your normal, everyday looking girls in their natural, candid environments. Wearing normal, everyday clothing and doing normal, everyday activities.


    man, i have a problem
     
  10. Buzzltyr

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    Porn conditions you to objectify women as if they were just pieces of meat to satisfy your lust. What you are undergoing is just an outcome of that. When you see a girl your mind is treating her like an object to satisfy your lust. You mentally undress her and do things to her in your mind.

    Here is something I try. Firstly try to keep from resting your gaze on anything below her neck! No lingering on her breasts or her posterior. Secondly divert your mind by asking yourself a question which treats the girl like a person ("I wonder what she had for breakfast today" or "I wonder is she took the route 268 bus"). Thirdly engage fully in all your real world relationships with real people...friends, family, girlfriends (or boyfriends) etc.

    Yes. You have to give yourself time to rewire. Keep working on all the other great things that will fill your life when you have pushed P and fapping out of it.

    If loneliness is an issue try to engage more socially. Do not leave yourself in situations where loneliness can get at you. I know it is easier said than done but make the best effort possible. Join a volunteer group or something so you have other (real) people to interact with.
     
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  11. Neckbeard

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    That's easy to type. On a related note, congrats on your 63 days. I, too, will reach that and hopefully be able to suppress my thoughts more sufficiently. Gotta admit Day 10 is not very fun.
     
  12. Buzzltyr

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    You will reach it. all the best!
     
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  13. Dizzy Lotus

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    Yup, I know what you mean. I really do. And yes, it does delay freedom. But it's so easy to accidentally find such pictures, and then it's so hard to click them away... [​IMG]
     
  14. Limeaid

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    Anytime you are getting sexually aroused without the prospect of actual sex is fantasy and can set you back. You are fabricating sexual lust so in essence you are doing this to yourself. Creating a trigger for yourself. Buzzltyr gave great advice to stop doing this to yourself. Sexual objectification of women has to be "cured" if you are ever to make it in NoFap I think because thereare 'potential' triggers everywhere. Training your brain away from it is key. Doesn't mean you don't find women attractive but you don't take it to fantasy lust town.

    The only time you should feel sexually aroused is when you are with a partner about to get it on.
     
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  15. nobingeing

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    Hi @Neckbeard , thanks for sharing.

    In my earlier journal posts i also shared that i get dopamine hits from just looking at women on the streets. Its really strange, God knows why i get so aroused looking at a cleavage or even a dress (maybe its a good thing i dunno) but i do try not to fantasize. Its not easy but it can be done, maybe because im flatlining now. And it kinda sucks, i get mood swings real bad. But then again, just wanna say that i share the same weakness as you, lets fight this together!

    Cheers!
     
  16. KeenEye

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    I also saw a music video on youtube that almost gave me an erection, but I plan to abstain from it COLD BLOODEDLY (not sure if such an expression exists :D). I did 20 push ups in response, to remind my brain that the stimuli will only get a disciplined response from me, rather than masturbation.

    I think it is so much easier to decide and accept now that we will abstain from ANY artificial stimuli on the internet and in our own minds. I never thought that we have the power to even manage our thoughts about sexual things, but I have done just that in my last few streaks. I'd rather become asexual now than to invite PMO again to my life. STAY PURE
     
  17. ezmon

    ezmon Fapstronaut

    Hey,

    there's almost nothing to add anymore to what was said till now. Nevertheless you should avoid to be awake at late night in the dark alone in your room. For me it would be an attractive trigger to relapse. I don't know but whenever I'm sitting in front of the screen lonely at night I turn crazy. So try to avoid it especially at night.

    The rest was said.

    Best regards

    ezmon
     

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