P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

That s**t takes time if you've been pmoing outrageously. Probably takes a good 2 years with minimal relapses for a 5 year addiction's case in order to get well.

 

I just discovered some info about paws online that is new to me. Annoyingly, there was not much I could find about what I discovered. Apparently there are different types of Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome.
- Regenerative- Symptoms steadily improve over time
- Degenerative- Symptoms steadily get worse over time(the source says “throughout a persons lifetime” which is what annoyed me because it offers no time frame or suggestions for dealing with or improving this)
- Stable- withdrawal symptoms remain the same
- Intermittent- withdrawal symptoms go away entirely but reoccur periodically either becoming shorter or longer.

I was on Your Brain Rebalanced and there was a person talking about dealing with heavy withdrawals after 950 days without porn or masturbation. They were also linking articles about paws which led me down the rabbit hole to finding several addiction websites explaining the different types of PAWS. If anybody has any feedback or knowledge about this or can explain what to do about degenerative PAWS I would love to hear what you have to say. They went on to say that people with degenerative PAWS are at the highest risk of relapse and suicide because the longer their abstinence the worse their withdrawals get.

 

Did you find this on the specific context of PMO or generic addictions?

 

So basically, according to this study, you can quit porn and end up commiting suicide AFTER you are clean due to heavy depression?

I think someone needs to take a look at this nofap thing and devise a better plan if it's making people's lives worse in the long run. I think I'd rather Fap to p every now and then and not be on suicide watch.

I'm starting to think this is all about self control not pure abstinence.

 

Man, that's some scary information that you have digged out. Anyways, I have also gone down the rabbit hole regarding this when my PAWS started. My conclusions are as follows:
1- Science and research regarding porn addiction is very limited esp for people who started on high speed internet porn at young age
2-When it comes to mind, medical science is very very behind. Research and theories keep changing every 5 years. They don't have any real cure, just more crappy medicines which makes some people worse, some doesn't get any effect and some get relief ultimately getting them hooked to the medicine itself. And when you're hooked, you obviously would need more and more dosage with time, ultimately reaching a time where side effects become so severe that dosage cannot be increased further or you risk going crazy or losing your life. So when you leave that medicine, shiz hits the fan and rest is history.
3- PAWS or withdrawals do away ultimately if you honestly stay away from porn. If you don't want to suffer for long, daily anaerobic exercise and cold showers is a must. PAWS could feel degenerative in the beginning because in this recovery, it gets worse before it starts getting better.
4- Human mind and body is a magical fantastic thing. It changes and develops itself according to what you put into it. To say that the mind and body cannot reach homeostasis after leaving addiction is denying the basics of what our mind is all about. It's a crazy thing we have up there. We just need to develop good habits and leave the bad ones to see the results in the long run. Addictions of years don't correct themselves in days. Have patience and spread good vibes on this forum. The recovery and withdrawals are harsh enough already.

 

chill guys only a little time and everything will be fine.
remember before you were into pmo you were a good person, a responsible person.
ok so i have a little story on this entire recovery thing, there was once a person who met with an accident and lost his hearing power of one ear.
Doctors said that they could not do anything about it, because it was not with his ear but with his brain that did not pick up the signals sent from the ear.
So, how do you think he got cured ?
Any random guess ???








The medicine that worked for him was time.
Yes, he recovered eventually with time, because his brain healed by itself, it rewired itself. This no doubtedly took time, but he got healed.
So here's the entire point : "YOUR BRAIN HEALS ITSELF, ALL IT REQUIRES IS TIME AND PATIENCE "
This is happening with me and will happen with everyone who so ever tries to quit it.
so you all are doing great, just be patient and enjoy the fantabolous journey you are onnnnn✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️

 

Hi,

On the one hand, I totally buy in to the idea that the brain (and body) is capable of healing itself, if given the right chance. The thing that bothers me though, is that there are more people getting Alzheimers and Parkinsons disease, and there must be for a reason. Could be many, connected to modern lifestyles.

I'm not saying that PMO will necessarily lead to this, but these diseases, as I understand it (listening to Aubrey De Grey on Joe Rogan) involve depletion of the numbers of dopaminergenic cells / receptors (not sure on the specifics here, but bear with) in the brains of those affected. I know that my dopamine system is out of whack, soooo.... I think we need research on this because I think something huge is being over-looked, but of course that is highly unlikely to happen when we live in a world where "porn and masterbation are good for you" etc B.S. etc.

 

dude all this is only till when you are into PMOing.
just remember all of the people have a chance to leave this shit everyday, now it depends on you what you want to do with the choice.
man there are addictions worse than this, people do heal from it. and these are facts
it takes time no doubt.
but this is not something that cannot be healed.
just be patient...........

 

Like I said already, medical science is way behind when it comes to brain. I think we need not make this complex any further than it is already esp considering the limited knowledge of what is actually going on inside our brains. Lets just heal through abstinence and incorporating healthy habits in our lives like many long term rebooters have. I think the most successful rebooters are those who keep it simple and train their minds regarding this addiction gradually. The whole process is long and tiresome and it is so easy to go off track and stop believing in this whole process. I know what I was feeling when I wasn't able to cure my PIED after 7 long months. There are people on this forum who even said that I just need to go back to porn to kick start my libido and there is no healing going on in your mind. Thankfully, despite being at the lowest point in my life, I knew 100% that porn has led me into this so going back to porn is the last thing I will do. A month later, I cured my PIED and had sex like I never imagined for the first time ever in my life. So my mind was healing in those 250 days while I stayed away from P. I think we ought to leave the complexities to everyone else and just heal ourselves by following the simplest of methods repeated everyday here.

 

I think keeping things simple is a great approach to recovery. I do get pretty frustrated with people who give such inappropriate advice as to actually use porn deliberately in the hope that it might do some good. That is deeply mis-guided (I'm being polite).

Perhaps my speculations are a personal indulgence that I should keep more to myself, if I'm risking other people's state of mind with unnecessary worry. I am trying to make sense of the big picture (one issue being living in a world that doesn't seem to make sense or work properly for so many people, and the role that excessive PMO might play in this... another issue being the parallels between PMO addiction and other forms of addiction... I could go on) because it is fascinating, and potentially far reaching in it's implications.

 

People who come and state that our issues are psychosomatic or just in our heads, cos you know how powerful the mind is right? Are nothing but a cancer to our recovery.

PAWS is 100% real everyone who is questioning fall into two camps

1) those who haven’t experienced it and are completely ignorant and offer no value

2) those who have a myriad of issue, PAWS being only but one. They can’t see the wood through the trees and have no idea which way is up or down. There confusion means they also question PAWS - these guys also offer no real value anymore


I’m coming upto 12 month hard mode with a hard relapse at month 7 - a 48 hr cocaine, sex and porn binge which has set me back big time, still don’t feel back to before relapse and it’s been 5 months


Have wierd brain pressure sensations and weird anxiety still .. I also have a ton of other symptoms but they are child’s play at this point; heart palpitations, disgestion issues, sleep etc etc

It gets so hard to even imagine recovery; when it might come and what it might look like - and there are no real inspiring success stories or anyone to motivate or help us. Darksetur is the only positive voice I could find and he left long ago

Around every 3 months I get attacked by sexual fantasies which are scary and take upto 2 weeks until I regroup and go again

Apart from PAWS life is perfect

 

I am in a situation to yourself @Fenix Rising in terms of having to work hard to be sub-normal.

But I am a clear case, I dont have a history of depression, or any other mental health issue, that is obvious. I went through a stressful period in my life around 4-5 years ago in which I was financially succesful but extremely stressed with going into business with a friend, and started partying and doing tons of cocaine, escorts, and pornography.

The stress from the above is no longer in my life, and finished around 2 years ago, in which time I started to stop all the excess. Except too much damage was done. And now I pay the price.

I want to stress again, apart from PAWS I wouldn't change a thing about my life, Im beyond content.

 

Im just tired of the misinformation, and ignorant comments on the topic when a lot of us having to suffer through one of the hardest challenges to face: PAWS.

It's less than helpful when genuine discussions gets thrown off topic, and people start insinuating all this is in our heads... its fucking nuts.

Imagine for a second that PAWS is very real and all of us are suffering deeply due to it, how does this paint the comments telling us its psychosomatic? It's fucking nuts.. it's akin to trying to troll someone

This thread should be about people suffering PAWS trying to support each other through this god awful time, and through sharing information to try and make sense of what is going on, not just random people throwing in ignorant comments to discount and derail our suffering.

It's like going to a sex addicts anonymous meeting and just sitting there telling everyone sex addiction isnt real and it's all in their heads.. you'd be asked to leave and banned immediately

 

Yes, only those who have suffered or are going through it really know what PAWS are. However, as most of us don't recover from PAWS after many months, it's so easy to lose your mind. I know I feel on the verge of losing it. I have been contemplating every day for last 6 months to resign from my dream job and just run away from everyone. Its mainly because of social anxiety. I get palpitations when speaking to people. And I have given 2 trainings just last year on public speaking, LOL. Just yesterday they called me up and begging me to come again. I have been making the randomest of excuses. What do I say ? That I can't speak now in front of 3 people let alone an auditorium full of young guys questioning me about this, LOL

When this all started, I didn't even know the first thing about PAWS. It just started happening out of the blue after about 30-40 days into my reboot. Sometimes it turns into a full blown panic attack. I have never had anything close to this in my entire life.

There is this Chinese website of nofap as well and I have heard they are much more knowledgeable and advanced regarding PAWS in long term recovery. There are 1-2 guys here on this website who are translation some of the work from that website. It's really useful.

 

Brother in exact same situaiton... exact same. I have to do public speaking as part of my job. I have done it all during my 20s and used to love it, now speaking to 2-3 people feels like I'm going to have a panic attack

I also have the exact same thoughts regarding work.. think about vacating for a year until I'm recovered, it's almost impossible to function at the level required for me

I just had the conversation with a good friend today, I am going to get beta blockers and benzos to use only during presentations to see if this can get me through

 

Honestly @winningover your whole post describes my situations exactly. I have a ton of symptoms, but this weird social anxiety is by far the most deliberating to my life, and like you it started after attempting NoFap - I've never experienced anything like it.

No one can give any positive information regarding this anxiety or healing from it. If any of us heal we need to start leaving detailed accurate descriptions and reports for those that follow.

 

PAWS is killing my social life as I can’t recall anything I feel like I have dementia. The anxiety hasn’t been as bad the last 2 months. It’s mostly just the brain fog that makes it very hard to recall and learn.

Thankfully my PIED is cured at least mostly as I can get hard just thinking about real girls in my life everyday for the past few months.

I do have weeks where the brain fog lifts a little or a lot and it makes learning and recall easier.

It seems like for me at least that the brain fog is going to be the last to go everything else in my life has improved a lot or has been cured.

While my brain is repairing and my dopamine is at a low level baseline during this time my energy is a little low at worst with a little anxiety but massive brain fog. I used to get heavy anxiety and very low energy just to name a few withdrawal symptoms but not so much in the past 2 months.

385 days hardmode here, giving myself a break from using any of my sexual energy since I’ve abused it for so many years. Eventually later this year or definitely sometime next year I’ll be back to having sex, just giving my body a break for now.