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Lost my Whole Weekend to Flatline - help

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by SaturnDaytona456, Feb 27, 2020.

  1. SaturnDaytona456

    SaturnDaytona456 Fapstronaut

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    I'm 33 or so days into no PMO and have had a bad case of flatline. I won't get out of bed unless I have an arrangement of some kind. I have no desire to work on my creative projects go to the gym or play video games. Is flatline something that keeps occurring long term or does it get easier? I feel defeated, cynical and numb. I honestly feel like I'm back where I started. Any advice would be appreciated.
     
  2. maz20

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    Are you having regular/actual sex in the meantime?

    Flatline is not a side effect of NoFap "per se" IMO I'd say it is more of a side effect for those who abstain from having or pursuing regular/actual sex in the meantime (like if fap was your only means of sexual gratification, etc...)
     
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  3. Ezpz

    Ezpz Fapstronaut

    Im coming up to 7 months non stop flatline. Its different for everyone but things do improve :)
     
  4. SaturnDaytona456

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    I guess I'm not sure I see the point of continuing, (although I will) I mean, I don't have the desire for pmo but I also don't have the desire to do anything. I have made almost every sacrifice I could think of to be a better person but I'm not getting anything done like I was a week or two ago. I thought by making a sacrifice like this there would be a constant boost of energy, guess I don't know what to do for sure
     
  5. Ketonian

    Ketonian Fapstronaut

    Several other Fapstronauts have mentioned in their posts that regular exercise, meditation, cold showers, and improving your diet were all things that had helped them. In my flatline I went from mild depression to some pretty serious dark thoughts. I started running 2 miles every morning and taking a cold shower right after. That has helped me alot. I'm still working on the meditation part. I started experimenting with a ketogenic diet in 2018 and that has really helped keep my energy levels up!
     
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  6. SaturnDaytona456

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    I am almost exclusively on keto and yeah it works wonders. The gym also helped today a lot, now I seem to be out of flatline but am completely full of rage/sadness but in a productive wholesome way. It's a lot at once. I might need to scream or something. I am scared to return to my old ways because I feel so much more determined now than I used to, but I don't want to live without O forever. The women I'm trying to date are total flakes, or else they want nothing to do with me. I'm handling it better than I used to, at least.
     
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  7. SaturnDaytona456

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    This is a huge issue for me. I have always had trouble getting sex. I'm told that I have an intimidating appearance/face, but I believe I am attractive. I have always had relatively low confidence and have been scared of women (hence starting NoFap) but for some reason I have always struggled so damn much. I've only ever had sex twice. The last time I had the opportunity I didn't want to because she was drunk and everything was just way off. My confidence has improved a lot and I have been talking to a few women, but they end up ghosting me or canceling plans, or acting like I don't exist. I don't get it. My hope is that after giving up porn, masturbation, coffee, carbs, alcohol, nicotine and laziness that eventually something will work out, or that I will have the opportunity for casual or committed sex again, but it's burning a hole in my head. I am doing everything I can possibly think of. Also tinder is a joke.
     
  8. LeeUK

    LeeUK Fapstronaut

    This sounds like a severe case of depression. I've been there once in my life before, struggling to find motivation to get out of bed, crying etc.

    You are lonely and sex starved. Yes flatline occurs but unless you are getting out and experiencing life, having interactions with women, then you won't ever recover from this.

    How old are you? Do you work? How would you feel about traveling alone? I may be able to offer you some advice.
     
  9. LeeUK

    LeeUK Fapstronaut

    You're probably doing too much, that's why. Focus on 2 or 3 things first, start with no pmo, exercise daily and no alcohol. If you smoke then that's a totally different addiction you need to work on. Trying to quit both that and pmo at the same time is overkill, this why you are struggling.

    You can't fix everything at once.
     
  10. SaturnDaytona456

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    I'm 31, work full time most months but am doing 24 hours at the moment. I get out plenty and talk to real women, they just keep bailing on me or ghosting. I just don't understand. I look fine, not overweight, I must just be scary or something. I have intimidating eyes people say, and I'm not tall or short (5'9"). I have very curly brown hair. I do things every day to break the mould and try to see things differently, talk to strangers, etc. I just can't seem to fully let go of inhibition. Nofap has helped my "woman talking skills" immensely, but the flatline has been killer this week. I don't even want to return to porn anymore, at least most hours of the day. I will travel alone, have had that desire lately actually.
     
  11. SaturnDaytona456

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    Yeah it's a lot at once, possibly too much, but it seems to be working for the most part (?) I mean, I can't be smoking, I don't buy them I just bum them on a somewhat daily basis; same with disposable e-cigs. They're really fun for me but I'm not super hooked. I go days even weeks without and do fine. Alcohol is just completely horrible and causes everything for me to go wrong, so it's been kinda empowering to throw it all out at once. I have tried betterment before but never had this amount of success, especially in terms of weight loss. Carbs really do make me feel horrible and put on weight, and coffee makes me overthink like crazy. I'm probably in the process of coming out of a deep depression of many years; I originally gave up dating/relationships when I was 23 because of a heartbreak that I guess was pretty traumatic. I didn't start having any sort of self esteem until sometime around my 30th birthday. I definitely agree that it's overkill, but I've got a lot of determination/results right now and it's snowballing so I don't know how much I should be rocking the boat
     
  12. Ketonian

    Ketonian Fapstronaut

    It's nice to stumble across someone else doing keto! I've been strict keto since June 2018, I started it as an experiment to see if it would help my headaches. My headaches went away, my energy level went up, my allergies and allergic rhinitis improved, it even helped with my lower back pain. Ketogenic diets help brain function so it makes me wonder how much it may help us through NoFAP and rebooting. I haven't found any info on it yet. I've seen a few posts that have said fasting helps with rebooting, but I'm afraid to fast to much because I'm at my ideal weight.
     
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  13. LeeUK

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    Well if you're managing to pick up women easily enough but then they ALL ghost you there's definitely something that's causing that to happen. Without delving into your techniques etc I wouldn't have a clue as to what the problem is. It keeps happening though, right? You said it yourself.

    I'd start there bro.
     
  14. SaturnDaytona456

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    I'll try and explain quick; It goes like this: I get to know a girl on a first name basis, we have a couple things in common, there are no obvious red flags or weirdness, I ask for her phone number. Every time I've ever asked for a phone number (four or five times in the last couple years) we text and seem to be friendly. I haven't been good about initiating the next step (cutting porn has helped that instinct kick in). Each woman responds differently and they seem to lose interest at different rates, or just stop messaging me in the middle of a conversation. I play it VERY safe when I text. I think I know what to do, just in terms of "being a man" better than I did a year or two ago, but I was also really bad about striking while the iron was hot. I usually just play it cool for weeks or months and then it kinda fizzles out. So my realizations are:

    ---I am coming off too shy, nice, timid or scared.
    ---I am waiting too long to initiate dates and sex

    I can not stress enough, I am better with women than I was a month ago, I've come a long way in the last year but I'm trying to figure out how to really make them curious or interested in me. I'm not so nervous anymore but I am getting impatient. When I am flatlined it's much harder to approach women. Any and all advice is appreciated. I recently read that "How to Pick up Girls" book and it seemed to help my attitude a lot.
     
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  15. AfricanSunset

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    Female here, also on flatline. Dont return, keep on moving forward. You body is use to getting self activated dopamine spurts. This also kept you from persuing life and getting your dopamine rewards in an wholsome, steady and productuve way. Your body is adjusting to real life and it wil take time to start getting joy from the small thing. Also the dopamine dependacy covered your underlining emotional issues and hurts. This is a time to be kind to yourself and nurture yourself including the hurt child inside.
    Everything that is worth persuing takes time and sacrifice. But is fulfilling in the end. Also, of you are a person of faith, let God lead you to wholeness.

    It wil get worst before it gets better. I think.
     
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  16. LeeUK

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    Girls don't like to mess around. If you have asked a girl for her number while displaying sexual energy then start texting her stuff like 'how was your day?' then she is going to get bored and view it as a waste of her time.

    Women, especially attractive women get hit on daily. They probably get asked out at least once or twice a week, that means you need to stand out from the rest. Being a guy makes you the leader. You will get some women who like to talk about their day etc but texting back and forth is a bad idea at the start. It makes her think you are always going to reply within a few minutes and you end up exhausting all the good conversation starters before you have even met.

    I like to keep things straight to the point, if I get a girls number yes there will be a few questions asked on both sides (scoping for red flags) but ultimately I'm looking to secure the date. Being the man it should always be you who asks her out and do it sooner rather than later. Not within the first few messages but after you guys have built a rapport or had a laugh together, drop it in there.

    I usually offer to take them out for a few drinks with the option of getting food afterwards, reason being if they aren't someone I'd want to eat with you can politely leave after the drinks. I like to name the place and bar where we will meet and have the restaurant in mind for later. Women like a man with a plan, being asked 'what do you want to do?' can be a turn off as they want to be lead and not being the one pressured into choosing where to go.

    I'd say you just need to pull the trigger a lot faster and quit trying to be like a friend to them. I've done it many times and have failed miserably.
     
  17. SaturnDaytona456

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    Please elaborate on this because I've said/heard something similar before but it doesn't come up in conversation very often. Are you referring to innocence? ----- I am afraid I cannot even imagine the way women are ALSO harmed by this sort of addiction; surreal to me that we're even talking about it. I imagine there are similarities to men. The spurts of dopamine thing makes sense..!! All I know is that, at my best, (with nofap) I am a productive determined "real man"/social butterfly, but at my worst I am just ready to crawl in a hole and die. I've had sex twice in my life! My sexual journey has been deprivation torture! It's a days work just to fight off the anger I have toward my family and health teachers, anyone who got in the way, set a bad example, or just plain didn't talk to me when I needed it most. Now I'm even afraid to go back to porn for relief because it f----d me over worse than any of the people I could try to blame. It ends up having been me that got addicted to the nudie trash just like every other dude in the internet era. The irony is just ... intoxicating
     
  18. SaturnDaytona456

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    This is all so damn helpful, thank you. I have self analyzed myself into a real mess lately. I will think about this all and get the ball rolling faster harder. Exhaustion.
     
  19. AfricanSunset

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    The nurturing of your inner childnis called reparenting yourself. The adult parts of yourself starts to love and nurture the child parts. Giving healing and a voice and sometimes the just the aBility to exist. You might consider therapythat helps to bring our broken parts into the light sotgat we can heal. Become whole... There is just no other way forward except walking through the pain towards healing.
    Inner bonding:becomming a loving parent to your inner child
    By Margaret Paul

    For instance is a book that deals with this.

    Also the emotionally absent mother.
     
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