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Straight Pornagraphy is Gay / Eradication of the gay fetish

Discussion in 'Compulsive Sexual Behavior' started by Rustcan45, Feb 19, 2020.

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    Then please tell me about
    Trichophilia or Hair fetish.
    I don’t like P, So am Hair fetishising person.
    In this states I feel a female body part(Hair) This is not illusion. It’s real Hair. How you catagorised this for me! Thank you
     
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  2. Basenjis and Beagles are the same species (dog). Basenjis do not naturally bark and Beagles do. By your logic, either all dogs bark or barking is unnatural. But we do know that barking is a natural trait - some breeds of dog just don't exhibit this behavior. This is a contradiction. There are plenty of examples of different populations of the same species exhibiting different traits.

    I'm not mistaken, you are basically saying that since X does not belong in the set A, B, or C, then it must not belong in the set D. That is called a generalization fallacy. You can't do that - it's not allowed. And exclusive homosexuality DOES exist - there are exclusively homosexual humans. Your rule is now broken.
    It's hilarious how un-self-aware you are. I said that to demonstrate that YOUR statement was not a real argument. If you claim access to evidence without divulging any of it, your claim is meaningless.
     
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  3. I'll address this one point as it's most important to the conversation. You took what I said out of context. I stated "acting on that intention is what decides one's sexuality." I never said you can imagine whatever you want and that negates reality.

    Once a partner has been introduced (the hypothetical goat in this case), it is no longer only an intention. You're comparing apples to oranges, as masturbation and sex between two people are two completely different things. Masturbation is not heterosexual or homosexual, as both need a minimum of two people to even meet the definition. As I said, masturbation is a neutral act.

    Continuing this logic, what would be the implications of masturbating without using my penis? Is that a homosexual act as well? Even further, if I rub my butthole against another man's butthole, but we don't ever touch each other's penises, is that still gay? There's not a penis involved so it's not a homosexual act right? I'm obviously being sarcastic, but this premise is just as ridiculous as saying masturbation is a homosexual act.
     
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  4. ultrafabber

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    Some people are born with 1 leg, that doesn't mean that there are two types of people 1 legged and 2 legged. The one legged types are an aberration. The basenjis just vocalize differently because they've been bred to do so. And barking is a type of vocalization and all dogs vocalize, including basenjis. Even if they were further bred to be mute, it would just be a consequence of that process.

    We're back to square one, just because an exception exists does not mean anything for the rule. Just because some humans are born with one leg or because they lost a leg does not mean there are two kinds of humans - one legged and two legged.

    This is strike two. There will not be a strike three. Stick to arguments, not to your own interpretations of my alleged defects. You are not owed any evidence. If you are genuinely interested in the conversation you either politely ask for links or you google them like @megaman85 did.

    But jerking off to an image of a woman is also more than just an intention - you are intentionally and physically stroking a penis to get and stay sexually aroused.

    Masturbation mimics a heterosexual act/sex. You could not masturbate if that was not the case. The only way you are able to get an erection is because you trick your body into thinking it is having sex. Therefore masturbation can not be a neutral act.

    Getting aroused by rubbing your butthole is a homosexual act anyway.

    Tbh the only ridiculous thing here is people arguing that rubbing a penis to ejaculation is not gay.
     
  5. Veritech

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    Not following the argument...

    What you are saying is that if one "enjoys" stroking his own penis, then it follows that he would also "enjoy" stroking another mans's penis. Both have "penis stroking" as a commonality; thus if the second activity is a homosexual activity then so is the first.

    Following this logic:

    If a man enjoys receiving a blowjob that too would be gay. After all, if one likes it when his woman gives him a blowjob; then that person should equally enjoy receiving a blowjob from a man. The commonality is the mouth and both men and women have mouths that are capable of providing blowjobs.
     
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  6. I'm not sure what you mean by aberration. Your claim was that there is a lack of evidence to establish that homosexuality exists in nature. Well, one legged people exist in nature, as you've pointed out. So do homosexuals.
    If I can find exceptions at will, then what is the point of the rule? You still haven't shown that it is a rule that homosexuality doesn't exist in nature.
    If your reasoning is defective, I can show it objectively - I don't need an interpretation. Everything I have said has been an argument. And if you want to convince me or anyone else, then you need evidence to do that.
    Correction, you are stroking your own penis, which is significant because masturbation and stimulation of someone else's genitals are different acts.
    False. It can mimic a homosexual act as well, or any other act involving penetration. It can also mimic nothing, and simply be done because it feels good. Intention is relevant.
    Proof by assertion. You need to show this. Heterosexual couples do this all the time.

    Reductio ad absurdum. You need to demonstrate the truth of your claim. And we're talking about masturbation, not rubbing any random penis.
     
  7. You said it better than I could.
     
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  8. untunedguitar

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    You missed the point: it's stroking your penis while watching a penis being stimulated (which in straight sex it obviously is) that creates a connection between pleasure and seeing a man and a penis, even if there is also a woman there.

    And even in case you're not using porn to masturbate, you are not feeling only your penis, you are feeling your hands stroking a penis too, to which OP states they go first in sensory input. And yes, OP also said that if you would masturbate without touching it, like humping a silicone vagina (feeling only your penis), it would be better as it matches more the real thing.

    It's not if you like what you feel, which really you would physically enjoy a blowjob coming from either a man or a woman, but the means you use to feel it and how it affects the subconscious relation.
     
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  9. I think we're mostly debating @ultrafabber now. And he said:

    Yes, the sensory input might be stronger, but that does not imply any "order" of importance. The goal of masturbation is to stimulate the penis, not the hands, even if the hands are more sensorily receptive. They just happen to be the most convenient tool available.

    Now let's go down this hole: if a man masturbates another man with a flashlight, is the man receiving it straight?
     
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    People with tumors exist in nature. That does not make cancer a normal part of human existence, it is still a disease. People with parasites in their brain exist in nature, that does not mean having a parasite in your brain is the way a healthy normal person exists. I will say it again and for the last time. Exclusive homosexuality does not exist in nature. It is a behavior that goes against the most basic function of any living organism - to pass on it's genes. To add insult to the injury, there are other statistics that all point to the fact that it's an aberration: the absurd molestation rates of kids who later identify as gay, the absurd pedophilia rates of homosexuals per capita, the rates of mental health problems that come with homosexuality (anxiety/depression/suicide ideation and attempts etc). Last but not least, the very significant overlap of homosexuality with transgenderism, another mental disorder that among many troubling statistics, has a suicide ideation/attempts at over 40%.

    If over 99.99% percent of animals never display any homosexual behavior (just bisexual behavior and that bisexual behavior almost NEVER includes penetration), going to 99.9999% if we are including insects, if there is 0% cases of exclusive homosexuality in nature, you are dealing with a rule. The very few exceptions do not break a rule. They are exceptions. The same way a 1 legged born baby does not break the rule of humans being bipedes.

    Then do so and stop using various words to attack me personally instead of my arguments. I do not want to convince you of anything. I do not even know you and i owe you exactly 0. I am the one that has more information than you and that's about it. @megaman85 took a few minutes and caught up on that information, you believe you're entitled to it. You're not. I do not care what you think.

    However if you are to continue trying to have a conversation and insist on having your arguments without doing any research and expect me to feed it to you i will also end the conversation because it is wasting my time.

    Your penis is still a penis. You are stroking a penis to get and maintain sexual arousal.

    I won't go into the homosexual part because it's too complex, that's why i said heterosexual act/sex, with "sex" including both types of sex. The point was that at the end of the line masturbation works because it mimics a sexual interaction. Your body thinks it is having sex.

    No i don't need to show anything. It's another discussion too complex and i don't have time for it. Just to cut a long story short, a man that gets penetrated by his gf/wife with a dildo/strapon etc is committing a homosexual act. You'll probably not agree and we can end it before it begins.


    This is actually what happens to a lot of heavy pmo users. Search for hocd / transexuals and you will see.

    That makes no sense. But @untunedguitar gave you a proper answer anyway.
     
  11. Veritech

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    You have just confirmed my point - If I am receiving a blowjob from my woman, I am watching her stimulate my penis. By your logic, if the blowjob arouses me, I am committing a homosexual act.

    Stroking my penis does not stimulate my hand any more than stroking a vagina would stimulate my hand - nor would licking a tit or pussy stimulate my tongue. Stimulation will always be with the penis.

    Since when have there been gradations of masturbation? If using a fake vagina makes masturbation less gay than using a hand, so what? If you argued that masturbation (of any kind) and homosexuality are both abnormal acts; I might be convinced to agree with you. But your logic indicates that they are the same act.

    PMO is also an abnormal act. Those who live in glass houses should not be the ones throwing the rocks at others.

    Totally false. The whole point of receiving a blowjob is because we like how it feels.

    Our sexuality is not a subconscious relation. A straight man will never enjoy a blowjob from a man. I can only assume that a homosexual man would say the same thing about blowjobs from women.
     
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    No, all I'm saying is that if your penis is stimulated in any other way that is not with your hand, you avoid the risk of relating touching a penis with arousal, or even from seeing a penis if you watch straight porn while doing it. I also never mentioned masturbation to be inherently gay, just that the circumstances in which you do it may *potentially* induce homosexual tendencies, as OP writes.

    In that case wouldn't be gay because it is your own penis, you are one of the two people engaging in sex and the other is a woman. Anyway, that doesn't mean that simple sexual stimulation can't be enjoyed regardless. I also specifically wrote 'physically' for a reason: imagine you were blindfolded behind a thick wall with a glory hole and someone whose gender you don't know gives you a blowjob. No matter their gender or whatever is in your mind, you would physically enjoy it and get aroused by the stimulation itself.

    If you take the blindfold off and had a window in front of you to see and it is a man, that wouldn't erase the pleasure you felt when you were blindfolded or still feeling even after seeing, and then, if for a long period of time you were only given blowjobs by men, you would be conditioned to have a tendency to homosexuality because you would psychologically link pleasure with a man. Now I'm specific in that you would be isolated from the other person because even hormones could tell you if it was a woman or not. So yes, in this case you could see that sexuality is in fact subconscious and psychological when it comes to homosexuality, because the biological hormonal default conditioning is for a man to be aroused by a woman and viceversa, there is no natural biological impulse leading to same-sex relations because the whole point of sex is to procreate, here you would be just 'conditioning your brain to be aroused with a man/person of the same sex', which is the whole point of OP. Sexuality is all about what you link sexual pleasure to, it just so happens that there is already a natural connection between different sexes via hormones.

    Let's not get too serious over this guys, we're just expressing different points of view. :D
    And again, disclaimer, none of this means being gay is bad.
     
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  13. You're using a lot of loaded terminology like "aberration" and talking about things like suicide and molestation which aren't relevant to the conversation. Just because we haven't found an example of exclusive homosexuality in nature doesn't mean it doesn't exist or isn't possible. But I'll just play devil's advocate and give you that it doesn't happen. So what?
    The phrase "0% cases" doesn't really make much sense. Either way, it's not a rule just because it hasn't been shown yet. That's like me saying there are no such thing as black people because I live in Iceland and I have only studied people around me. We haven't tested 99.99999% of organisms for traits like homosexuality. And if you have then you deserve a nobel prize.
    Lol that's another proof by assertion. Ok. I'll continue to call you a rapist. I don't have time to prove it and it would be way too complex for me to explain to you.
    He was referring to your claim about masturbation, and not necessarily porn, being gay.
    I think he was trying to show that you were making a false equivalency.
     

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