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I wonder if I can ever find the right man for me?

Discussion in 'Loneliness' started by Deleted Account, Feb 22, 2020.

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  1. Abzu

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    i also hate those two forms of sex and find it quite unnatural.
    In our society, sex is considered a taboo and virginity before marriage is the norm though it's changing now due to film industry, media and westernization.
    I also don't fancy girls who wear skimpy clothes, it's just gimmicky attention seeking.
     
  2. And the funniest thing about all of this is that your mind is completely sane for viewing them as unnatural, it's pretty clear the logical thinking that made you deduce it.
    But I do not think sex should be considered taboo at all, just something intimate and secret. Virginity before mariage is not something bad, it's better than burdening your mind with mistakes you would wish to erase after that.
     
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    I mean, there's no restrictions regarding sex for a married couple but people find it awkward and shameful to talk about it, just as you said intimate and secret.

    Well, I was actually speaking in support of being virgin until marriage that you took as opposite but hate how society is changing nowadays and everything being so sexualized and people not valuing their purity.
     
  4. don't worry I understand your point, my society is similar to yours.
    I just wanted to ensure you that you are very much right about oral and anal being unnatural forms of sexuality.
     
  5. Krillin1993

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    I really wish I can live this one day with my girlfriend from the future and of course more like stroking each other and doing stuff like cooking and eating together, bathing together and sleep together just like kids would do. Sometimes I wish that I want to be 5 again as I was a little kid. I was happier and had no idea about porn, masturbation and orgasm.
    I want to be just innocent as I was back then as a kid. One day I played with the girl from the neighbourhood, she was so annoying because she wanted to play the hair stylist with me and wanted to do cut my hairs and I wanted to play football,...it was so fun and she was so cute and she also was 5 years old and I wasn't even shy to talk to her. Now with my 26 years I am abit shy to woman. It is like their beauty impresses me alot and makes me weak, because there is a feeling of "I dont deserve you", "because you are too beautiful and you would search for a men who is atractive like you". I wish to myself that I can get rid of these thoughts one day.
     
  6. Those negative thoughts stem from the internalized guilt over your past actions, not from the attitude of the woman herself. In order to leave all of this behind, you need to do what feels morally right and avoid anything that might go against basic human morality.
     
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  7. This happiness was stolen from us by the pornified modern culture. And our innate and natural sexual activities ended up replaced by more and more corrupted practices, we should hate the porn industry to the guts.
     
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    Yeah you are completely right.....and I see also the cult of piercing the nipples or piercing the clitoris or cutting off the labia of womans clitoris just that a woman or a men see a younger version of a sexual organ also the shame and guilt from oversexualized thinking from the porn industry as a part of this whole. I dont see any purpose of it. By the way what is your opinion about piercing?
    The same goes for operation for bigger penises and bigger breasts and bigger butts. It is not necessary if you hadn't any car accident or so. But doctors never asking for the psycological health condition of any person around the world...they just see the money. That is what freaks me out sometimes. My old class mate asked me last december if I am virgin and how it would be to go to a prostitute or do I want to end up asexuell, he asked? I said no, although I've started to feel ashamed because almost everybody in my old school had a girlfriend or boyfriend and had probably sex. I felt the pressure being virgin, still today it is the same. I would feel really bad when I pay a woman just to have sex with. I am realizing these days that sex is just for real couples who truly love and accept each other. Therefore I find prostitution also devaluing woman for having sex with over 1000 men. It is horrible.
     
  9. The people screamed for candy.

    Then they complain when they get diabetes.

    Who is to blame, the addict or the enabler?

    Corporations and investors are addicted to the money.

    Regular folks are addicted to the fantasy.

    But the fact is that society always corrupts everything.

    Someone could invent the cure for cancer, and society would find a way to ruin it.

    I can't take a stand against a world full of people out to kill me.

    Lest I kill myself by trying to save them.

    But the one thing I can accomplish is making it through today without PMO.

    That is a profitable use of my time.
     
  10. Personally, I don't like it. It's purely a subjective opinion, of course. I especially don't like pierced lips, tongues, and noses.
     
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  11. I feel about the piercing cult the same way as you feel; unnecessary and harmful.
    Plastic surgery used to enhance certain body parts is also unnecessary and another form of capitalisation on human misery. All these trends serve the elite pulling the strings of society from the shadows, and not the miserable people going under the knives to have some inner peace. I think western civilsation is declining for those reasons previously mentionned by both of us. Consumerism, comformism and moral deterioration are the leading ideologies in the west instead of humanism, like many unkowing people in my homeland tend to believe. It is easy to notice those flaws when you are an outsider with an objective look on things, not when you are a western citizen with a very low level of experience and a high predisposition for influence.
    You are an honorable man for refusing to go to a prostitute, sex is for creation and connection, not for for selling and consumption.
     
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    I am thinking the same although I am not conservative. I know that woman, who pierce their tongues,doing this just to please their men or boyfriend for giving BJ's, the same goes for piercing the clitoris. There is no purpose or reason for doing that. Demonstarting others how crazy and dirty someone is, is like a waste of time. It doesn't even look good.
    Right. I see. Thank you for calling me honorable :)
    I have another question to you. Do you think it is okay to have protected sex with someone that I truly love without being married? I am telling this because many people like catholics, muslims, and conservative jews are telling that it is forbidden to have sex before marriage or they say it is a sin or that I will burn in hell for that action, do you think that too? Are you born and raised in a conservative family? I mean I dont want to have kids because it is hard these days without money and without being able to care and look after kids. There are too many points what leads me not to have kids, but I know woman wish a life with kids....but it is really hard. The hardest point is to take responsibility for your own kids. I am agnostic and I really would like to know if there is a god out there and I wanted to know if he would judge me even if I had multiple sex with someone that I really love and for who I would take care but without having kids and without marriage.
    I dont claim that sex is the most important thing in the world, having a partner and stick together should be the main reason for love but I am curious and afraid of this religious aspect. What is your opinion about that?
     
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    I hope I am not too late.

    my advise is simple: if you look for love you wont find it, you are forcing it you will look desperate

    if you are not looking you will find it and everything you wanted in a man

    love and success are side effects of a healthy,balanced and happy life
     
  14. This marriage question is not simple to answer, the best way to reach a satisfying conclusion is to analyse every advantage or disadvantage of both situations.
    On one hand having sex with someone you love might give you comfort, and ease your frustrations. but there won't be that stability that is intrinsic to the marriage institution. On the other hand, marriage is seen negatively in the western modern society; it is not considered "liberating" and "trendy". but the real issue the new generations have with marriage is their lack of responsibility, as someone has said "they have the peter pan syndrom". It takes two mature individuals for marriage and family to succeed, and for children to grow up sane and stable. but with marriage comes the warmth of family and household, and there isn't only negative aspects about having children. When they grow up they will be your best friends, they might love you the same way you will love them. Don't forget that you should be patient with them, and protective and compassionate.
    But in my opinion, it is way better to have natural (piv) and consensual sex while unmarried, than engaging in an activity that is neither natural nor beneficial to the partners in the long run. Excuse me if I seem old-fashioned to you, but it is crystal clear that oral and anal are not natural forms of sex, nor they are harmless or "respectful". Even in the west there is that degrading connotation to the act of giving oral and many slangs and insults were built upon this. It is only expected, because putting your mouth, which is a sacred place for most people, near the nasty and (frequently) unclean waste exit can hardly seem respectful or "empowering" to many people including me. I don't know how many times I have stated this, but I still do not want people to have a wrong idea of who I am as a person.
     
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  15. Where have you been all my life? :)
     
  16. I have been struggling and resisting this disgusting culture
     
  17. Krillin1993

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    I disagree with you to this topic! By the way what does PiV means?
    I respect you for being an old fasioned woman. But it is a wrong perception to think, that a man or a woman couldn't take responsible for his or her partner even if they are not married or not having kids. It is always the attitude of an indivual and the view on true love. For example if I had a girlfriend I would take care of my girlfriend no matter what happens to her. I would care for her for the rest of my life, I would treat her with respect and dont force her to practice anal or oral sex,and I wouldn't cheat on her or search sex with another girl, even if she is handicaped and therefore sitting on a wheelchair for the rest of her life, I would still hold her hand and stay with her. True love doesn't mean sex in the first place. IN fact true love never can mean a superficial act. True love means "my suffering is your suffering" "your happiness is my happiness" It simply means being compassion and understanding about your partners suffering and joy and having empathy no matter in how bad situation he or she is. No matter if you are married or not, having children or not. I see alot of religious people too who are getting married and having children but they get divorced like western people who are acting unmoral and having gangbang parties,....there is no true love either, but always arguing and violence like I know from my own muslim parents. No you understand my view completely wrong. It is hard for a men to take care for a child, because a child costs alot of money and there is much more stress and complications to take care for 2 people. But it is easier if you take care for only one person. The second reason is the fear that a married woman only want to profit on your financial situation and you are afraid of giving her the credit card. I am afraid of being used for being the sperm producer and money maker. If you earn alot of money many woman out there would look what you can provide for her as a men. Therefore they pick you as their lifeinsurance and if a woman get divorced for no reason you have to pay for the woman and for your child which you never can see for the rest of your life. I am asking you why no muslim or catholic preacher talking about that issue, instead of how a good traditional relationship should be? Nobody is talking about the fear what men have. We men have alot of fear and nobody cares when men suffer or cry. We cry when nobody see us because we dont want to be seen as weak from society. The media just care when woman suffering but never when it comes to the mans world. Just look at the MGTOW movement, they dont hate woman although there are some mysoginist out there, but they are suffering too for being used. I dont want to be used. It is not about having fun and freedom. Why it shouldn't be fun when you are dancing together with your partner and going on a vacation with her? You still have responsibility for her even if you are not married. If my girlfriend needs money for lets say a cancer treatment and she doesn't have enough money for getting the treatment I would give her the money without that she is asking me that question. But it is not normal to buy a woman everything what she wants. Even in restaurants ,when you eat your food everyone should pay for his own meal except if one partner have no money or is jobless then it is okay to pay for his/her bill. In japan almost every couple makes it that way and I like that concept. In western society men buying chocolate and flowers on valentinsday for their girlfriends they love, but in japan woman do this to her partner and men bring the girls out for a dinner or going into a cafe or cinema. I am honest with you: I like woman from asia more than woman with a western mindset. I hope you are not mad at me for telling my true opinion about my fear with woman.
     
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  18. I have never been opposed to your opinion in the first place, I think a lot of young men are in your situation. The fear of being exploited is a normal and human feeling, this is not something restricted to males or females. I too think that western societies are sinking because of consumerism and egoistical tendencies from both men and women, men mostly view women as sex objects and women try to profit from the situation financially. this is the farthest thing from love and respect, these relationships generally do not last nor end up in good terms.
    Western people lack basic sense of responsibility, it is true for this current generation especially. Women should be encoureaged to be independant and the behavior you stated is the total opposite of emancipation, I think they call this "cinderella syndrome" and a lot of women have it as the product of their upbringing and gender roles. Women like this have a low self-esteem and don't get very far in their lives, nor they produce a healthy new generation.
    I always knew that men, mainly teenage boys, had the habit of crying in secret. This is not a weakness at all, crying happen when you are overwhelmed by emotions, sometimes it can be the result of an emotional scene in a movie or from a nostalgic memory. It can also be the product of depressing circumstances, such as death or loneliness.
    Men HAVE emotions, regardless of what they might show or what might society say. I remember a scene from tokyo ghoul when kaneki cries right after copulating with Touka, not because "the sex was so good" like many dumbasses said over and over but because he knew he will not be alone anymore. And it was heartbreaking and heartwarming at the same time, because many people are like kaneki and hope to find light at the end of the tunel.
    Gendered stereotypes are suffocating, they force us to bury who we truly are in order to fit into the herd. there are article detailing the lives of early humans and they show that men and women had equal status at the time. Go look for them, you will discover a lot.
    I never doubted you when you said that forcing your woman for oral and anal was not something you will do, I just wanted to tell you my point of view about this. And how it seems obvious that those two unnatural acts will seem alien and even repulsive to you if not the exposure to pornified western culture and later to pornography, this is my supposition at least. If I am wrong please correct me. Me and my friends never thought such acts were real before being exposed to porn. We knew about the normal sexual procedure and all the surrounding rituals, but the rest never crossed our minds.
    PIV: means penis inside vagina, so it is the universal act of sex.
     
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    Kind-hearted people like me may never be chosen to meet the right partner because people's expectations are too high. I know that I have nothing to offer,....I can only show my heart and how positive I am but that will be never enough for no one believe me. The problem is that even if women do not have such a syndrome, they still have dreams and some women would rather live a single life with a child, which they had planned from the start instead of having a healthy relationship.
    And such people are applauded for being single mothers. It's just ridiculous. There are thousands of women in Germany with this mindset and that's why I'm afraid of german women for example. There is a study which was appeared in the newspaper how many partners and one-night-stands a german woman had on average and I was really shocked. People wether it is a woman or men (in germany) thinking that good sex, no sex or bad sex equals or depends if you have a good relationship or not but this is uterely bullshit.
    You dont leave your partner when you have bad sex but these people here are like that.
    Even foreign women are more and more westernized with this mindset. But you are also right when you say that men are willing into perverted thinking and objectify woman, thats why there are so many rapists, cause one extreme haunt another. But there are woman who like the fantasy being raped in any situation from her own friend, the thrill is that they love the shocking moment,.. I dont understand the world anymore.
    I remember this Tokyo Ghoul RE sex scene quite well. This scene had somehow made me sad to still be a virgin like Ken was. That's exactly the scene I also cried what it would be like to be with someone who really loves me from the bottom of the heart without having any ulterior motives. The only thing what I am thinking of is if I end up alone and being still virgin with 50 or 60 years and never had a chance to get together with a woman should I go to a prostitute then? I am saying this because there is no guarantee that there is heaven or hell. Nobody knows really if there is an afterlife. But never having a chance for a relationship is also what makes me frustated. It is not about sex but more like the contact to a woman. I know it sounds weird for paying somebody who is just there doing sex but since my birth there were no one who loved me. I had no caring mother or father and I was always on my own without any help or receiving compassion from my parents. Therefore I was jealous about other kids in school for having a family who truly loves them. What shall I do shedernatinus?
     
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  20. Not every woman accross the world is like this, the wolrd is vast and doesn't only stop at the german borders. Look for many places, start with the middle east , turkey or north africa. I think the pressure of losing virginity is what truly ruined you, this western typical mentality is really toxic and unproductive. There is nothing really shameful about being a virginal male at all in my opinion, I am a virginal female who felt all the things you did. Sexual frustration is real for both women and men, but in our cases it is mainly fueled by our curiosity and desire for new experiences and sensations.
    Going to a prostitute is not something I'd encourage you to do, mostly for moral reasons. Women who end up as prostitutes vastly do so because of lack of rescources, drug addiction, unstable households, or human trafficking. Those same reasons push many women into the porn industry where they end up being exploited inhumanly and sadistically. You want to be loved above all, including sex, and going to a prostitute will not fill that void you have inside. Deep down that prostitute might hate you and resent you, but only sleeps with you because it is her "job". Prostitution has never been a "normal job" in the first place, it is pure human exploitation for the fact that sex requires more than one factor to happen, and money is the least of them. Sex is about reproduction and connection, and not about commodification.
    I remember a documentary about an Italian male escort who confessed to his therapist how much he hated the women whom he slept with and the female gender as a whole. People think that this man had a dream life, but they chose to forget his emotional and psychological sides. Men have more mental complexity than they are given gredit for, but patriarchal societies tries to groom them into sex robots and violent beasts as much as possible.
     
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