What fires together wires together?

skaterdrew · Mar 29, 2020

In my opinion when it comes to porn induced sexual dusfunctions, so things like PIED ext. I think there is mainly two causes of this.

One is that guys have masturbated and binged on so much porn, hardcore weird porn, and have had so much novelty and sexual stimulation for years that this has desensitized them to the point that they need this level of novelty and artifical sexual stimulation to get and remain aroused.

Two. Most guys that have got a sexual dysfunction like PIED have seriously sexually conditioned their brain to porn and artifical sexual stimulation through years of masturbating and binging on porn and artifical sexual stimulation online.

I my self feel like I suffer from number two much more than number one.

For instance I remember recently before I even searched anything online, before I even looked at anything, but just because I knew in my mind I was going to search and look at porn I became extrememly sexually excited and I even got hard from this just from the thought that I was going to do this.

This to me doesn't actually sound like desensitized, but it actually much more sounds like sexual conditioning.

Basically when I even just had a thought that I knew I was going to masturbate to porn this caused me to get sexually excited, which caused me to get an erection. Bascially my brain knew what was coming. No pun intended.

The reason why my brain knew what was coming is because it has made strong neuro connections through years of doing this.

But when a guy has hardly got sexual with a female in real life, or has never had sex with a female in real life, this means that these neuro connections haven't been formed for this. So when a woman drops her pants for instance and wants you to have sex with her, the brain doesn't know what's coming. So you don't get sexually excited, you don't get aroused, you don't get an erection.

This would actually indicate that one of the biggest ways to cure this would be to try to get with real women, regardless if you have porn induced sexual dysfunctions or not. As the only way to form these neuro connections with a real woman sexually, is to actually be with a real woman sexually.

I think if someone hasn't formed these neuro connections with a woman, but also hasn't desensitized them self through years of porn. Then this person will actually be so sexually sensitive that getting an erection ext will be much easier and natural, as they will be so sexually sensitive. Also for young adolesent boys, particuarly young adolesent boys who have never really used porn or artifical sexual stimulation, or who haven't used it much. These young adolsent brains are at the peak of neuroplasticity, meaning this is when their brain is really learning what to do in life. Young adolesents like this would naturally get an erection much easier, even if they hadn't been with a woman before.

But for guys who have spent years masturbating and binging to porn and artifical sexual stimulation on the internet, and who have never or hardly been with a real woman sexually. These guys will likely be seriously sexually conditioned to porn and artifical sexua stimulation, and they might also be desensitized.

For me though I feel like my problem is much more sexual conditioning than desensitization.

Another issue I have is I actually believe since discovering the science behind porn addiction and porn induced sexual dysfunctions is that this has actually caused me to pursue women in real life much less for two reasons. One is because the main way I used to try to pursue women in the past was through dating sites. But now I don't want to use dating sites as I know I would likely end up masturbating to the content on dating sites. Two because now I actually know there is something wrong with me. So before I did think there was a problem with my sexual functioning, but I didn't know for certain what was wrong. But now I know for certain there is a problem with my sexual functioning, and I now know why there is a problem with my sexual functioning. I believe basically knowing for a fact that I would fail at trying to have sex with a woman also stops me trying to pursue women.

But actually when I think about it that is actually one of the biggest mistakes. As your brain needs to get those experiences in real life with real women to form those neuro connections.

Rev2.0 · Mar 29, 2020

I have a story from my youth that I have shared with only a very few people because it is so embarrassing and yet speaks to this exact thread.

Growing up we would spend a week each summer as a family at a lakeside cabin. We had a boat so we spent a lot of time waterskiing and just cruising around on the water. When I was 17 some friends of my Dad's visited for the day and had their smoking hot blonde 15 year old niece with them from out of state. She spent the whole day in a little string bikini that showed off her great bod and I just kept looking at her... this girl was in a league I hadn't seen IRL before. I also need to say that at that age I had been MOing several times a week for several years, sometimes including soft P, but had never come close to a real sexual encounter.

Came about sunset and she comes up to me and says "take me out in your boat" making it very clear it was just to be the two of us. So we head out to open water and drop anchor. It's just her and me on the lake, moon is out, perfect summer night. But I'm so clueless, instead of putting a move on her I'm talking about the boat saying, yeah these seats fold out. She gets close and looks at me and says "so we could sleep out here then." I don't quite recall the rest of it but I do know I kinda shut down at that point and eventually took her back to shore without anything happening. And then fapped that night thinking about her.

Beyond pathetic, yes, but that's what happened and in many respects it set the tone for my interactions such as they were, with other women for many years to come. She literally was giving herself to me on that boat but I was so messed up I didnt know how to follow through--or perhaps more accurately, didn't have the confidence to even though it was a layup. But that's how much your wiring can get fried from PMO and in my case it was already happening at a very young age.

4eyedfox · Mar 29, 2020

Rev2.0 said: ↑

I have a story from my youth that I have shared with only a very few people because it is so embarrassing and yet speaks to this exact thread.

Growing up we would spend a week each summer as a family at a lakeside cabin. We had a boat so we spent a lot of time waterskiing and just cruising around on the water. When I was 17 some friends of my Dad's visited for the day and had their smoking hot blonde 15 year old niece with them from out of state. She spent the whole day in a little string bikini that showed off her great bod and I just kept looking at her... this girl was in a league I hadn't seen IRL before. I also need to say that at that age I had been MOing several times a week for several years, sometimes including soft P, but had never come close to a real sexual encounter.

Came about sunset and she comes up to me and says "take me out in your boat" making it very clear it was just to be the two of us. So we head out to open water and drop anchor. It's just her and me on the lake, moon is out, perfect summer night. But I'm so clueless, instead of putting a move on her I'm talking about the boat saying, yeah these seats fold out. She gets close and looks at me and says "so we could sleep out here then." I don't quite recall the rest of it but I do know I kinda shut down at that point and eventually took her back to shore without anything happening. And then fapped that night thinking about her.

Beyond pathetic, yes, but that's what happened and in many respects it set the tone for my interactions such as they were, with other women for many years to come. She literally was giving herself to me on that boat but I was so messed up I didnt know how to follow through. But that's how much your wiring can get fried from PMO and in my case it was already happening at a very young age.
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dzigi · Mar 30, 2020

I agree mostly with your post, but I think we already have neuro pathways toward women. Example: imagine you have never masturbated and watched porn. Ans you are kissing with a girl, you are going to get hard right? So there is a conclusion that brain likes kissing and everything that comes with it. If what you said was true that our brain doesn't know what is coming after kissing than how we would be able to get erection? This is ky opinion that's all

Zimzi · Mar 30, 2020

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Rev2.0 said: ↑

I have a story from my youth that I have shared with only a very few people because it is so embarrassing and yet speaks to this exact thread.

Growing up we would spend a week each summer as a family at a lakeside cabin. We had a boat so we spent a lot of time waterskiing and just cruising around on the water. When I was 17 some friends of my Dad's visited for the day and had their smoking hot blonde 15 year old niece with them from out of state. She spent the whole day in a little string bikini that showed off her great bod and I just kept looking at her... this girl was in a league I hadn't seen IRL before. I also need to say that at that age I had been MOing several times a week for several years, sometimes including soft P, but had never come close to a real sexual encounter.

Came about sunset and she comes up to me and says "take me out in your boat" making it very clear it was just to be the two of us. So we head out to open water and drop anchor. It's just her and me on the lake, moon is out, perfect summer night. But I'm so clueless, instead of putting a move on her I'm talking about the boat saying, yeah these seats fold out. She gets close and looks at me and says "so we could sleep out here then." I don't quite recall the rest of it but I do know I kinda shut down at that point and eventually took her back to shore without anything happening. And then fapped that night thinking about her.

Beyond pathetic, yes, but that's what happened and in many respects it set the tone for my interactions such as they were, with other women for many years to come. She literally was giving herself to me on that boat but I was so messed up I didnt know how to follow through--or perhaps more accurately, didn't have the confidence to even though it was a layup. But that's how much your wiring can get fried from PMO and in my case it was already happening at a very young age.
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Too painful the missed experiences and cluelessness. It’s kinda like now when you don’t masturbate for some time it feels like girls are looking at you and it’s like wow have they been looking this whole time and I was looking somewhere else? It’s just sad rlly what this sht does.

Zimzi · Mar 30, 2020

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skaterdrew said: ↑

In my opinion when it comes to porn induced sexual dusfunctions, so things like PIED ext. I think there is mainly two causes of this.

One is that guys have masturbated and binged on so much porn, hardcore weird porn, and have had so much novelty and sexual stimulation for years that this has desensitized them to the point that they need this level of novelty and artifical sexual stimulation to get and remain aroused.

Two. Most guys that have got a sexual dysfunction like PIED have seriously sexually conditioned their brain to porn and artifical sexual stimulation through years of masturbating and binging on porn and artifical sexual stimulation online.

I my self feel like I suffer from number two much more than number one.

For instance I remember recently before I even searched anything online, before I even looked at anything, but just because I knew in my mind I was going to search and look at porn I became extrememly sexually excited and I even got hard from this just from the thought that I was going to do this.

This to me doesn't actually sound like desensitized, but it actually much more sounds like sexual conditioning.

Basically when I even just had a thought that I knew I was going to masturbate to porn this caused me to get sexually excited, which caused me to get an erection. Bascially my brain knew what was coming. No pun intended.

The reason why my brain knew what was coming is because it has made strong neuro connections through years of doing this.

But when a guy has hardly got sexual with a female in real life, or has never had sex with a female in real life, this means that these neuro connections haven't been formed for this. So when a woman drops her pants for instance and wants you to have sex with her, the brain doesn't know what's coming. So you don't get sexually excited, you don't get aroused, you don't get an erection.

This would actually indicate that one of the biggest ways to cure this would be to try to get with real women, regardless if you have porn induced sexual dysfunctions or not. As the only way to form these neuro connections with a real woman sexually, is to actually be with a real woman sexually.

I think if someone hasn't formed these neuro connections with a woman, but also hasn't desensitized them self through years of porn. Then this person will actually be so sexually sensitive that getting an erection ext will be much easier and natural, as they will be so sexually sensitive. Also for young adolesent boys, particuarly young adolesent boys who have never really used porn or artifical sexual stimulation, or who haven't used it much. These young adolsent brains are at the peak of neuroplasticity, meaning this is when their brain is really learning what to do in life. Young adolesents like this would naturally get an erection much easier, even if they hadn't been with a woman before.

But for guys who have spent years masturbating and binging to porn and artifical sexual stimulation on the internet, and who have never or hardly been with a real woman sexually. These guys will likely be seriously sexually conditioned to porn and artifical sexua stimulation, and they might also be desensitized.

For me though I feel like my problem is much more sexual conditioning than desensitization.

Another issue I have is I actually believe since discovering the science behind porn addiction and porn induced sexual dysfunctions is that this has actually caused me to pursue women in real life much less for two reasons. One is because the main way I used to try to pursue women in the past was through dating sites. But now I don't want to use dating sites as I know I would likely end up masturbating to the content on dating sites. Two because now I actually know there is something wrong with me. So before I did think there was a problem with my sexual functioning, but I didn't know for certain what was wrong. But now I know for certain there is a problem with my sexual functioning, and I now know why there is a problem with my sexual functioning. I believe basically knowing for a fact that I would fail at trying to have sex with a woman also stops me trying to pursue women.

But actually when I think about it that is actually one of the biggest mistakes. As your brain needs to get those experiences in real life with real women to form those neuro connections.
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You don’t know it for sure. Use dating sites, practice control. And maybe try getting to know a girl without focusing on sex. You already know u need to build those connections so try to do it and try to quit the porn.

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