P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

Also this post from @Big Lebowski in the same thread of Darksektur is also very helpful for people stuck in PAWS in long term reboot.

 

Wow, I really do appreciate the detailed response. I agree with you that PMO addiction is very satanic because it hijacks a biological drive and ruins you and I’m aware of the involvement of those people in the porn industry which still exists to this day which is quite unfortunate.

Do you think that even if I didn’t feel healed and like my normal self after 20 days, I could still feel normal by 90? I do have a lot of your symptoms like social anxiety, emotionless zombie like feeling, etc. but I don’t have insomnia, I sleep fine.

i saw that you said I shouldn’t edge and go on multiple orgasms but that’s what I’ve been doing for the last couple of years. I’ve been edging for hours but thankfully I stopped about a month ago. I just went on an 18 day streak and relapsed a few days ago. Back on day 1 now. Maybe I can feel better after 2 or 3 months or maybe even 4 or 5 because I see stories of people on nofap who do need that long to recover, I guess I won’t find out till I hit the 90 days.

I keep going back and forth thinking I have an actual hormonal problem causing me these symptoms because I don’t feel better after 18 days and then thinking it has to be the PMO because I need longer to recover. My testosterone is not low it’s just below average for my age and I do have an adrenal glands hormone called DHEAS that is quite elevated at 863 when the range is (80-560). They wanna ct scan me for an adrenal tumor but I doubt they’re gonna find anything.

Anyways, thank you so much and I pray that you no longer have to suffer through this.

 

Hey, thanks alot for writing this. I deleted my post for some reason, probably because I was tired and thought it wasnt very structured. But your right, it's time that I take responsibilty for this problem, I feel motivated.

 

Very well put and some good advice you give man!
This was me a couple years ago deep into the addiction before the hardships of withdrawals or paws.
This post worth reading for people who are struggling from the shackles of any addiction.

 

Can we keep this thread on topic?

 

I do not feel any withdrawal symptoms except an extremely high libido and frustration at the start of nofap. otherwise my social anxiety and my concentration problems / weak motivation disappear after 8-10 days of nofap. I feel that porn and excessive masturbation elevate my prolactin levels and lower / desensitize my dopamine.

 

So guys, just wanted to update you all and trying to bring this thread back to the topic:

My wife is pregnant now. This is BIG NEWS for me since I couldn't even have sex with my wife for one complete year. We have had abundant sex in last 3 months after I cured my PIED and now she is pregnant. Anyways, I am still going through PAWS and have started hard mode to see if it helps me. Many people here suggested me to do hard mode to get over PAWS quickly. It was sort of impossible for me since I am newly married and was battling PIED at the same time. I think now I can switch to hard mode easily without my wife bugging me too much. I am almost nearing 01 complete year of normal mode. Intend to do hard mode from here on for as long as possible.

 

Congratulations mate!

 

It's nice to hear you are going to have a baby. Best wishes for your family.
I suggest you to be a volunteer in helping other people and animals. What goes around comes around. Helping others is actually helping yourself. You help others recover or conserve their health, you will be healthy.

This way is really popular in Vietnam. I think it can help you get rid of PAWS.

You should:
- Stop worrying and keep your mind peaceful. Love other people.
- Stop all alcohol (if you still keep drinking.)
- Don't kill any animals, don't steal anything, don't fraud, don't make any sexual misconduct.

- Take care of your parents, elders or people in hospital, in the neighborhood, or the disabled etc.
- Give healthy food to who need, to who suffer hunger.
- Donate money to the patient who need financial support to cure their diseases.
- Protect animals, ransom and set free them if you see any animal is in danger.
And so on. You can discover many works to do. What goes around comes around.
The health will return to you like a boomerang.

 

@Big Lebowski are you still able to watch Porn without any negative symptoms at all?

 

I feel flat for a day but other than that I dont have any of the symptoms I had before. A relapse 3 years back in that heightened state of anxiety would of made me feel complete and utter shitty but it doesnt seem to effect me as much as it used to, I dont enjoy watching it. But it still twists and perverts your mind. I think my case was a combination of unhealthy habits all leading up to a complete burnout/withdrawals/anxiety. Importantly I dont beat myself up anymore either! But I'm still on the mend from a long time of this and other habits and getting better month by month. Would of been on a date a week or so ago but coronavirus fucked it all up!

 

Keep us updated, my biggest concern was that any sexual activity even normal sex would cause symptoms to return. Was thinking maybe would have to be celibate for rest of life, so good news if you can have sexual activity without symptoms

 

Oh no! Sex is perfectly fine my man!

 

But for me even thinking about sex gives me symptoms, although feeling better this past week or do. Im at 13 months, hopefully between now and 24mo, everything clears up

 

I think I know how you feel... when I even accidentally stumbled across porn there was a pressure in my forehead almost willingly guiding me it was wrong. I think for me it was because I hated and hated porn at that point and couldnt stomach watching it so the thought of porn made gave me a pressure like feeling in the head! I dont get that feeling now even if I stumbled. I think it's a response initially when you're are fighting to get away from!

Ever since I've took control of other habits and live a cleaner life everything else is fitting the puzzle for now.. and porn doesnt come into the fold. My addictions, habits all across eachother I think.. all three of them have to be under control or I spiral out then have a massive relapse!

 

Thats great to hear my friend that you are not going back into that horrible state after a relapse. I would also add that maybe your brain had some significant positive changes in your long PMO abstinence. And kudos to you for getting out there and dating again.

For me things continue to get better after a flatline ends, though this process has not been linear. One thing for sure is that every time i come out of one everything improves, most notable social anxiety is gone.

Im really hoping that you continue to see improvements my friend and never get too complacent!

 

Is it true that just stumbling across provocative pictures on the internet or TV can set you back to square one? If that is the case then we are truely fucked man

 

I have also searched a lot many threads for the same question but each one of them concluded the following.

If it's not actual P and you didn't did M or O then you didn't had any setback and nowadays after reaching 90 days. I also feel that all TV shows and everything on internet is made to excite us by flaunting curves, we cannot stop that.

What I am doing is that if I am watching a TV show where there is something like this I concentrate only on eyes of the actress and if it gets out of control to be able to look into eyes, I change the show.

That's all I have to suggest but I think there are many people on the forum and in particular on this thread which can help you way better than this.

Note: I completed 90 days today and I am getting to my best in terms of seeing girls as humans with due respect and not objectifying them.

BE THE STRONGEST VERSION OF YOURSELF

Regards,
@dudealone

 

I went on tinder for a day on Sunday, and honestly the dopamine you get from it is like crack, so addictive. Brain has such a strong dull ache yesterday and today.

At 13 months, have more self control and deleted it pretty easily and came off.

So at 13 months to the day;

The urge to masturbate has completely disappeared, it doesn't even cross my mind even when thinking about sex
Sexual fantasies can be strong
Urge to fulfill these sexual fantasies can be really strong
Urge to meet a girl is huge, but comes and goes in waves

Confidence that I can wither every storm is growing strong, theres nothing my mind can tempt me with now, no sick fantasy that can shock me

Sleep is _okay_ 6/10
There is a low level anxiety that is constant, 5/10. I still get a little nervous meeting individual people, and the idea of doing presentations wouldn't be a fun excercise right now (I used to give presentations all the time as its part of my job).

I told everyone at work about my addiction so they understand the change which has been helpful

My gut tells me I'd need to rack up 2-3 more 90 days strict no fantasy etc to get close to healed. This next 6-9 months will be extremely important for me

 

I dont believe this to be the case at all. Im 13 months, and I dont get any negative repercussions from the above.

I don't dwell and try not to look at these images, but when I briefly stumble on them, I just quickly move on and no big deal.

Same with sex on TV.

I think there is a point maybe 2 years or 3, where you can be fully back to normal, but it is this length of time unfortunately