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Do porn streaks mean nothing if you still occasionally masturbate?

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by skaterdrew, Apr 12, 2020.

  1. skaterdrew

    skaterdrew Fapstronaut

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    Thanks man.

    it is Instgram beauties, it can be found anywhere on Youtube, it is Google search images, it is on the ads, it is 'oogling', it can found anywhere on the net. I honestly can't access any of that, and can't access any porn either. Thankfully I literally can't access any of that. I literally can't access any porn or artifical sexual stimulation basically at all. I can't access anything that would cause me relapse. You'll notice I had to even change the word Instgram because my laptop even blocks that word.

    As for the thoughts though, that is more difficult, as I can't exactly block thoughts.

    I mark down on a calendar my streaks, relapses and how bad my relapses are on porn and artifical sexual stimulation. But I have decided I am going to do the same thing on another calendar, except marking down my streaks, relapses and how bad my relapses are in MO.

    So I will have two calendars to track my progress. One for PMO, and one for MO.

    I'm naturally going to take the PMO calendar more seriously. But if I can keep the MO calendar as clean as possible I want to see if I experience extra benefits from doing this.
     
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  2. domsi

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    thanks :)

    just one more thing. you say that you cant access anything atm. but what if that changes? what if you get the chance to access it, because the opportunity will arise sooner or later. i hope you will have the strenght to not look it up when the day comes, and i just want you to be aware of it always being a possibility. dont rely 100% on your blockers and electronics, because they can be bypassed rather easily. best of luck on your journey
     
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  3. skaterdrew

    skaterdrew Fapstronaut

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    I have a set up with my friend that makes it extra difficult to bypass. A lot of mistakes and learning over the years went in to the blocking system I have in place at the moment. With everything I would need to do to possibly bypass it, and then fix everything again and put everything back on it, it wouldn't be worth the effort to me at all to try to get around it and then put everything back on it. It maybe wouldn't even 100% work anyway, what I would need to do to possibly get around it.

    So it is by far enough of a detterant for me to not even try.

    Well this is another reason why I know I must still be seriously addicted. There has been times before where I have had the opportunity to get on porn and artifical sexual stimulation, and the worry is most times I have rapidly been on it and ended up going in to a relapse or binge.

    This was something else that worried me about being restricted to the extent I am. Could I actually be weakening my willpower instead of strengthening it?

    I really hope a day comes I can refuse all that stuff quite easily if I am able to access it.

    I'm in a situation I basically can't access any porn or artifical sexual stimulation. I basically can't access anything that would cause me to relapse. But then when the time ever comes I can access it I do feel like this might actually even cause me to relapse? It actually feels like from doing what I do to restrict my self to such an extent that this might actually be weakening my willpower?
     
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  4. domsi

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    no, i dont think its weakening your willpower! if you werent able to stop without it, then its a necessary tool to help you. but you have to be aware that its like training wheels on a bicycle - its only there to make the beginning manageable, but you still have to learn how to ride the bike, because one day it would be very nice if you were able to do it on your own. stick to the method that works for you, but be ready to keep the fight going even if this method fails one day.
     
  5. skaterdrew

    skaterdrew Fapstronaut

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    See I actually feel like when I realise I get the opportunity to peak at that stuff after not being able to see it for a while that this actually causes me to rapidly start searching it. The speed I am searching it in a situation like this is much quicker than if I could access it any time I wanted.

    This is why I wasn't sure if restricting my self to this extent might actually be weakening my willpower.
     
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  6. domsi

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    thats what happens to everybody on a hard relapse, its the normal reaction to being reintroduced to your drug of choice and it happens due to the long period of abstinence, which caused the dopamine receptors to reset.
    imagine if you didnt have any food for two weeks. you would eat anything people offered you, and you would want to eat a whole lot. if not controlled, you would eat yourself to death, because your body couldnt process all the food your brain wanted to eat. this is a real fenomenon linked to starvation. in our cases, were starving for porn, and thats why we binge for days when we relapse.
     
  7. skaterdrew

    skaterdrew Fapstronaut

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    How do people manage to refuse it in this state though? If they're getting such a powerful urge to use it?

    I mean when I have been in this state I have been shaking, shivering, unable to breathe correctly with excitement when I have been away from this stuff for a while and then ended up on it. The thought that I am about to search it and see it has caused me to feel this way, and also when I see it.

    So I am just wondering how do guys manage to refuse it when they're getting such a powerful urge to use it?
     
  8. domsi

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    you have to avoid getting the urge in the first place. once youre having that rush it takes way more willpower to stop it. you have to learn what leads you to relapse, and trace that behaviour to its first step, so you have the possibility to survive. once you know what causes relaspes, stop the behaviours as soon as you notice them, that way you will avoidunnecessary temptations. destroy the seed of evil, so you wont have to fight its full force.
     
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  9. phwrancesco

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    Masturbation does not cause any sexual disfunction itself. I'm talking about pied recovery.
     
  10. Summer Son

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    I think spreadsheets or calendars are more useful to track your progress. I was obsessed with my 'day counter' like everyone else on the forum. But I thought that day counters don't give me the whole picture, and I decided to cover up it, remove it. By the way amount of using is definitely important, if an individual use more porn, it affects more him/her. Frequency and amount of using is definitely a factor necessary to think with addiction. But, there is a thing: Gradual reduction generally don't work with porn induced dopamine addiction. Like saying 'this week/ month I masturbate twice everyday with watching porn, other week/month I just masturbate without porn, maybe I can watch twice porn and other week/month I will cut porn and continue to masturbate with my imagination, and I will decrease it and eventually I will be free' This mindset generally doesn't work for recovery. You have always should think 'Porn is not an option.' Never green light to porn/using with this spreadsheets/PMO calendars. It shows bigger pictures than daily counters but with doing this you should think about clean for 'all life'. Quit porn forever.
    Have a good journey!
     
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  11. Jk25

    Jk25 New Fapstronaut

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    Actually porn is the problem, I begun with a simple video on my friends phone was about 12years by then ...it triggered me so much I didn’t know what mastarbation was till I noticed that I couldn’t go away with it ..... I tried to resist for about 8 months I was clean no porn no mastarbation but then I relapsed again because I learnt how to sex chat with different girls ....The truth is I stopped watching porn it was very easy to stop but ounce you start mastarbating , it’s very difficult to stop. I have not been clean for now 6 years .. am new on NoFap maybe it can help me out
     
  12. henryhill

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    I have thought similar things. I definitely don’t think masturbation is as bad as porn. But the times I feel the urge to look at porn and tell me self to just masturbate instead it rarely has ever worked. I just end up thinking that it doesn’t feel worth it to just masturbate. Sure I don’t feel that bad if I do just masturbate however it hasn’t resulted in me no longer looking at porn so I don’t feel like just masturbating is the solution for me personally. I recognize that everyone is different though so do what works for you.
     
  13. AssaultHaund

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    It depends if you escalate your fantasies. In my case, i would have a normal masturbation process and then escalate it to porn fantasies and then watch porn.
    Thats why I have stopped masturbating for sometime
     
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