im tired of this shit being considered 'normal'

I have somewhat unpopular opinion about this subject, but i believe that PMO can be healthy for some individuals. Many people can drink alcohol and that doesn't lead to any problems for them. Substance (porn) is not a problem, addiction/compulsion is.

 

The "norms" that allow relapsing should be changed. All this porn addiction issue is the direct result of the "deregulated sexual market place" where 90% of the women go for 10% of the men, while the rest resort to self-satisfaction through porn.

 

I think masturbating is normal. Internet porn is not normal.

 

they always did that. It’s just that before social media their chump husbands had no way of finding out.

 

Makes sense. I think I agree it is not normal to compulsively masturbate several times a day, like I am apt to. But don’t apes and many animals masturbate. Anyway it doesn’t really matter.

 

Nah, that's what they want you to think. There are many ugly women as well as men, the problem is that if a man thinks he's not good enough females can sense it and even if she's just as or even uglier then she will ignore that man. Females despite them saying they want "equality" want a man that can stand up for themselves and make them feel protected. It's in their DNA.

The root of the problem is PORN and the internet, these things have made men think that pussy is to be put on a pedestal and we're supposed to beg for it. It's horseshit, we're the ones that are supposed to choose who we want and they should chase us, please us.

So to sum it up, I support the OP. I believe porn was created to reduce the population, make men weak. It's part of the plan, along with homosexuality, etc. Although I don't think it can be stopped because some brainwashed people are convinced it's not bad, we the men that have a strong willpower will be free of this curse if we choose to fight it!

 

Porn was created cuz it makes tons of money. Homosexuality was created long time ago, i dont think that Greeks intended to reduce their own population.

 

You're just looking at it from the surface. Homosexuality while it has existed before, was NOT pushed as an agenda, a CULT like it's being pushed today. The norm today is to be mentally ill, and if you're normal, you're a "bigot" or a "nazi." Porn is used to exploit our weakness, human's lust for sex. Our sex drive is there to procreate, not to get your hand messy. Look into everything, don't just give it a simple reason.

 

Yet another conspiracy theorist. Do you really think that there’s an agenda behind the production of pornography other than to make money? How do you come up with this shit? Are pornographers some higher power plotting to destroy mankind? I think not. More along the lines of low life scumbags who use and exploit others for financial gain. It’s business just like everything else. That’s all there is to it.

 

You know, in the womb fetuses touch genitals and mouth because they are the most sensitive areas of our body.

In adolescence it's normal to masturbate to understand how it works.

The limit between norm and addiction is subtle

 

To see truth we all have to see it from a wider lens. Humans have always sought comfort or pleasure as a way of making life easier and more enjoyable. The great irony is that comfort, especially excessive comfort, leads to a softening of a person mentally, emotionally, and physically.
Sexual expression is a basic human desire and need. All have the want to feel accepted or loved. When the agenda becomes popularized that sex is about taking, possessing, and getting yours, it becomes ugly and sinful. Sinful in the sense that it is something that is harming ourselves and others, not in some religious damnation manner. Masturbation is a form of that selfishness and the pornification of our media and our cultures normalize this. These are ugly and typically negative things because they pull us away from each other and ourselves. That energy is selfishly wasted and isn’t used for its intended purpose. Living in that mode women become vindictive and cold, men become selfish and unfaithful, both become exceedingly unable to create genuine loving connections after awhile. harming themselves most of all. MO was created out of human desire for easy sexual satisfaction. It’s been matured by the internet mixing with greed, lust, anger, laziness, vanity, you name it.
This global entity fuels itself off this misdirected energy. Deceitful in it's promises and destructive in it ability to permanently alter the way men and women relate.

 

It seems you're one of the simple minded fools that believes that the Corona Virus just appeared out of nowhere. Oh and did you know that the word "conspiracy theorist" was invented by the CIA after the assasination of JFK to divert attention. Keep being the sheep you are, feeding on the lies.

 

I don't think PMO can ever be "healthy", but I agree some people can consume it with minimal consequence. The key is indeed moderation.

 

Dude. I never mentioned anything about the corona virus, the CIA, or JFK. We’re talking about porn here. What exactly are the lies that we sheep are feeding on? Tell me more.

 

You're wrong.

Traditional patriarchal (ooh, bad word!) society ensured that the vast majority of men who desired a wife and family were able to obtain it.

The phenomenon of the vast majority of women only going for a small minority of high-value men is a direct (and intentional) result of modernist sexual "liberation."

 

Yes. OF COURSE there is.

Most porn is free nowadays. Yes, I know ads exist, but the pornographers are not making nearly as much money as they could if money (i.e. direct sales and ad revenue) was the only incentive.

Yes, money could be a part of the agenda. Degenerate, spiritually dead people are more obedient office slaves and consumers. But I don't think for a second that that's the only agenda. I'm not going to speculate here as to what exactly the agenda is or who is behind it (although I have some ideas). You can do your own research.

But seriously, how naive can you be?

EDIT: I see that population reduction was mentioned. That is most likely part of the agenda when it comes to porn (along with abortion, birth control, forced sex education, etc.).

 

There’s no denying the negative impact that porn has had on society. But there are far too many variables, and porn has been evolving for probably a hundred years. It is way too vast of an industry to be able to prove something like population control or any other theory. I see what you guys are saying, but we’re not on the same page here. I see porn more on the lines of an industry that started with a couple kids playing with matches that turned into a full blown forest fire, and the internet was the gasoline.

 

You know the old saying attributed to Jesus “forgive them for they know not what they do.” I think this aptly describes the situation you two are going back and forth on. When you have something this big and this deliberate at play there is definitely an agenda, it is just the vast majority of the people pushing it are unaware to the extent of their participation and even more so it’s deeper subtler causality. The extremely rare few are both aware and deliberately destructive, most do it compulsively and unconsciously.