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P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Fenix Rising, May 12, 2019.

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  1. I've read it might take 2 years up if you were really fucked up. And so far it seems it's gonna take this long for me as well. Keep in mind, I've done a lot short streaks in a row(60 days) and 16 months hardmode. Still I can't enjoy nothing yet.
    Best thing to do is stay away from pmo though.
     
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  2. Archangel01

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    It's quite the opposite with me. I recall being in a shopping mall at christmas time. I heard a song I liked and I almost started to cry out of nowhere. On other times I get really aggressive especially when I'm driving and for example someone cuts me off.
    I think I recently had a grasp of feeling love for a short period of time, which I haven't felt for over 10 years.
     
  3. sikreodds97

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    Damn that sucks to hear.. Ive done lot of streaks over the past 4 years the longest one being 10 months and i dont binge after my streaks. Still have the anhedonia and everything is just shit. Have you had no improvements or no better days? Perhaps we are permanently damaged then :(
     
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  4. Archangel01

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    PMO is for sure a huge factor leading to a shitty life, but don't make it to a scapegoat for everything. Maybe there are other areas in your life you also need to work on.
     
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  5. Yeah pmo messed up my brain chemistry and has caused a lot of nerves damages a long time ago.
     
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  6. Kningb

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    It does get better I can promise you that! However for all of us long rebooters it can take a very long time unfortunately!
    For me Anhedonia and a sense of numbed emotions have been the most prominent and debilitating withdrawal symptoms.
    Last year at the 18 month mark I had a huge lift in these symptoms and honestly it felt incredible. My sense of smell and taste came back, music sounded great and I couldn’t wait to get out and start doing all the things I love once again!

    At this point my libido came too and stupidly I started looking at pics of girls on Instagram and before I knew it I was back with these symptoms again.
    Our brains really are very sensitive so we must be really careful and vigilant at all times if we want to recover!
    Time really is the only thing that helps in my experience and of course no other forms of substituting ‘P’.
     
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    Thats really nice to hear man. Before PAWS hit on my streaks i always felt really good so i guess it is a sign that this is just the healing phase. So a couple of IG pictures made you feel shitty again? Or did they lead you down the PMO route?
     
  8. Kningb

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    Well unfortunately it did escalate a bit and then YouTube videos etc and this continued for another 6 months until an eventual relapse just shy of 2 years!
    It does sounds ridiculous that I was feeling better but began looking at pictures and silly videos again. I’m not sure why but maybe because my libido came back too!?
    Anyway it was a learning curve for sure and i will know for next time!
    Before the relapse I felt really bad and it was as if my body was telling me to stop. Interestingly though when I did relapse the sight of porn just disgusted me and I didn’t enjoy it all, so this is a big positive for me so I have more hope of never returning to it :)
     
  9. Strongerbig

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    (Plis English is not my native language)
    Hi guys, I am new here and I fill happy for meeting you as we are sharing thesame addiction.
    My addiction started 19 years back and I am now 32 living with it for 18 years. I regulated my fapping since last year from 4 per week averagely to 1 per month. And I get all the benefits of Nofap especially during my 3 longest streaks 70days, 63 days and 106 days even though I am now severely suffering with PAWS.
    And I think this addiction is link to our hearts and brain especially like me being addicted for almost 2 decades. The basic nutrients are brain needs for us to make social activities goes directly to sperm production because we already trained our brain in that way for example if our body needs 0.88mmol/L of vit b12 to perform our daily social activities and we stopped socialising with people and we only fap which needed like just 0.22 mmol/L of vit b12 , then our brain will programmely expunge the remaining moles and tell kidneys to expel it and that is why we are all lacking this essential nutrients and element. Must addicts have insufficient of zinc, magnesium, vit d, vit b12 and others and is not that we are not taking them from our daily meal no is because we trained our brain to utilize minutes of them together with high amount of energy like carbohydrates needed for the daily production of the billions of sperm cells we release daily. That is why at the beginning of the withdrawal we urinate frequently because our body doesn't need more energy to produce the billions sperms and together with our basic essential nutrients.
    Our only solution is to train our brain on how to utilise the whole of these nutrients by involving our selfs in social activities, being committed and preparing to get married and we will see all the benefits more than 100% I am very very sure because I tried it and it works.
    Our brain commands all activities in our body and this is achieved by training it for a very long time. Just like the way we train it to binge daily we can train it back to make our selves very committed instead of living in isolation and negative thinkings.
    And don't ever pmo again if not you will destroy your CNS completely just prepare to get married and avoid pre-marital sex.
    And do not ever
     
  10. sikreodds97

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    Ahh, i see. I thought you just peeked one day and lost all your progress. Good to see that you got better man, that is very inspiring! And you even did it while MO and having sex? Even more interesting because these activities surely releases at least as much dopamine as porn. Especially MO
     
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  11. Kningb

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    Time really is your best friend when it comes to recovery.

    And as much as I wish I could say all this time has been hardmode streaks, I have MO a fair bit throughout the process and had sex a lot also with my girlfriend.
    I never really experienced ED probably because I’ve been in a relationship!? However, I would highly recommend going hardmode as I have seen a difference in the quality of my erections mostly probably due to MO. And at the end of the day we’re all here due to overstimulation so cutting out any form of unnatural stimulation ie MO is going to do us the world of good.
     
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  12. Kningb

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    All I can suggest to you is don’t give up.
    You’ve achieved a 10 month streak before, did the anhedonia not lift at all?
    How long have you been addicted for?
     
  13. sikreodds97

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    I was very addicted from the ages of 13-18 and did it 5+ times a day. Over the past 4 years i have had many streaks and at the beginning of my streaks i would always feel amazing for a month before the flatline hit, but after my 10 month streak my healing process really began and some days the anhedonia is better but its rare. Social anxiety has been a huge symptoms as well and it is extremely hard to deal with. After the 10 month streak i have had many 3 months streak and haven't binged when relapsing. Im on day 74 right now and want this to be the streak where i finally feel a lot better! I dont know how far i am in my healing process because of all the streaks but perhaps 6-12 months and im done with paws? One can hope.
     
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  14. Antisocial_TBE

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    Anybody else feels like pmo has caused you some kind of hormonal imbalance? I believe that my hormones are fucked up although my doctor tried to convince me that my testosterone levels were normal for my age. I'm 25 years old and I have little to no muscle mass. Despite having pretty wide shoulders and body, my arms are abnormally skinny. Not to mention that my body is flabby and soft. Working out and lifting has made little to no difference. My diet is decent too so I really don't understand what my problem is. I don't suffer from PIED either and have frequent wet dreams. I suspect that pmo has fucked up my sleep so much to the point that I can't produce enough growth hormone, which is responsible for bone and muscle growth. That's the only thing that makes sense to me anyway.
     
  15. Ezpz

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    if you are experiencing high stress during recovery this can cause a multitude of problems for the rest of your body. Testosterone doesnt really have much to do with recovery so if you get checked out ok by a doc then i would put that theory to rest.

    i struggle to gain weight and put on muscle due to high stress, but this is improving as my recovery progresses
     
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  16. Antisocial_TBE

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    You right. I am dealing with a lot of stress but I think most of it is due to poor sleep. I keep having nightmares and wet dreams no matter what I try.
     
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    Does P.A.W.S go away after relapse? How's your P.A.W.S after relapse?
     
  18. Relapses make it worse.
     
  19. winningover

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    I would have liked this more if he was more precise in timeline regarding his brain coming back. Nobody here is looking at a 20 year timeline to recovery. 2 years are killing us already. Anyways, how are you feeling now?

    Also, I have an update for everyone here on this thread. Today has been the FIRST day in my 400 day streak where I felt as if parts of my brain are finally TRYING to turn on. Literally, this has been the first glimpse and hope that I have seen in 400 days. I was at work today which is a standard place for me to test myself if I am any bit better or not. My heartbeat was still all over the place but definitely not to the point of giving me multiple panic attacks in a single day. My fight or flight response was a bit better. My flight or fight response has been so bad after I left porn, I don't have words to explain. I can literally take a FLIGHT from almost any scenario without blinking an eye. Today is the first day where I felt its not AS WORSE. My social anxiety was still there but not to the point where I would just leave a meeting or ask someone to excuse me out of the blue just during a conversation. My sense of humor is also coming back, maybe. My twitching in different parts of face had stopped already at around 300 days. Stress handling is still poor but MAYBE a bit better.

    Another curious thing that I have noticed is that my chess rating have improved significantly in last 2 months. I play chess online at chess.com for last 10 years and my rating has never gone above 1100 in so many years. Its near 1300 now. So if there ever was an experiment to conclude how can porn effect your cognitive, logic, short term memory and attention part of your brain and if there is a difference in all these after you leave porn, that right there is a perfect example. I mean, its so plainly putting a number to it. And a stark difference it is indeed. I am very sure that something which I wasn't able to improve on in last 10 years has not happened in last 01 year out of the blue without me doing anything. The only thing I did is that I left porn.

    I don't know if it will continue to improve but this is definitely a very clear evidence that porn is literally making us lose so many precious abilities without our knowledge besides making us lesser of a man as compared to our previous generations.

    Also, today has been the first day where I felt hope for the first time that there is light at the end of tunnel and this tunnel WILL END. I have never been one of those good and bad day guys. All my days have been worse until now. I have never had a good day regarding my symptoms in 400 days. So, I am hoping that its an upward curve for me from here onwards rather than better days and worse days. I will keep you guys updated in coming days.
     
  20. TheRetainer

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    Are you long term paws guys on here Hardmode? Or are you still having sex with wives or gfs? How frequently do you o?
     

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