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I wonder if I can ever find the right man for me?

Discussion in 'Loneliness' started by Deleted Account, Feb 22, 2020.

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  1. @vercent99
    I don't know if you want to drag this any further. I don't mind personaly, but it's clear we won't reach an agreement. And neither you nor me really seems fond of the other's personality and views. So let's agree to disagree.
     
  2. vercent99

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    1 - who says u know the men in ur country dont have those kinks? like i said in countries where this is taboo, including north africa, people are scared to share their kinks because of it being taboo. so just because none said it to u doesnt mean its a minority.

    2 - i didnt say you need to be submissive, thats the point. i am saying only what will you do when your man says he wants you to fulfil his oral sex desires, considering your religion says the woman must fulfil her husbands sexual desires as long as those desires are not disallowed within the religion such as anal, so oral sex, although u dislike it, is only frowned upon but not disallowed. so if your husband could ask you to fulfil his approved oral sex desires, tell me this part of being submissive to your husband regarding his sexual desires is wrong, its not. Not that i agree with it, i think everything needs consent. to further this point, north african countries still allow marital rape, even those with religious governments.

    3 - those drugs arent allowed in religion because the holy book has mentioned anything that makes you not able to think straight is not allowed. this is why any drugs substance is not allowed, so this has nothing to do with "drugs being new" or "not available at the time of writing" so your point is an invalid point

    4 - your post clearly shows otherwise, and a person watching porn has less dignity than someone liking oral sex
     
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    what's taking so long if everyone disagrees? perhaps it's related that according to people in north africa, wives need to be sexually submissive to their husband's desires, now the dots are connecting
     
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    how is oral sex unnatural? porn is artificial hence unnatural, what's the explanation for oral sex

    so its hypocritical u say people who like oral sex have no dignity because its supposedly unnatural, yet you then proceed to involve yourself with the unnatural act of porn usage.
     
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  5. vercent99

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    i dont mind, we are being civil yes? i just dont agree with some of your statements

    first you said you thought you will have trouble finding someone who wont like oral or anal sex because u were gonna marry a westener, now u say it wont be a trouble because u will marry someone from your location in the north africa.

    dont wanna burst your bubble, but:

    the #1 and #2 biggest porn viewers are both 2 countries from middle east, 2nd being from north africa. Iraq and Egypt. And Morocco is number #13, still top 15, also north african country. So it is funny how you think they dont have those kinks in north africa

    and according to pornhub, from their women viewers anal is their most viewed catagory in three north african countries, Libya, Libanon and Sudan

    I thought u said the majority of women in ur country in north africa are against it? all the dots are leading to an opposite answer

    also according to pornhub, the most viewed catagories in total in 2019 was anal in two north african countries as well. It was in Morocco and Algeria. So every statistics is showing how its a majority which disproves all your statements. So far all north african countries seem to love anal from porn statistics, so it is logical that what is holding them back from expressing it pubicly is the idea of it being taboo. How can those men and women watch anal as most viewed if the holy book says anal sex is not allowed? (which i agree with) so if they already like so much something disallowed, imagine how much they like something that is approved, which is oral sex

    but i wish u the best at finding the right partner, there is a right partner for everyone
     
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  6. It is a minority. Otherwise the taboo around it will be completely lifted. And the supposed majorrity of those who like that wouldn't be ashamed of it anymore. Do you have a better explanation ?
    Yeah sure, but tell me the reasons anal sex is disallowed. I want to understand why such act would be so vilified. And compare those criteria to see if they apply to oral sex.
    Besides I won't submit to anyone, I put my self-respect over life itself. I let you imagine the rest. Besides, I never stated I'm a religious person. As for marital rape, we are working on improving on our issues and resist those fundamentalists the same way we try to resist falling for the trap of western liberalism. One are progressing, in ways we can understand and palpate.
    Besides, what do you think of yourself performing oral sex on a woman ? how would you view this if the roles were reversed ?
    No, we don't hold this statement into heart the same way you think we do. It's won't take us much long, no one in my surrounding really digs this statement. And I don't think the women I know will agree to lower themselves to such a point to be considered nothing more than sexual objects. We are aware of our value as human beings, this is why we are confident in our ability to bring positive change for our society. Not in the sense it will benefit depraved demons who want only to apply their sexual sadism on us.
    Why do you think oral sex is natural ? I'm curious to hear whatever excuse you might fetch. People tend to lose their temperament when they feel their masks are about to fall.
    Viewing sexual intercourse isn't intrinsicly unnatural, think about the early humans who lived mostly naked and likely must have been seen having sex. Sure using a screen to do so is relatively new to our specie. But it doesn't instigate any strong feelings of disgust as long as it's natural and respectful. The only thing that makes me wish to stop is maintaining a sane and happy life free of addiction. Not because I feel a heavy guilt toward any of this. I think you are in far deep shit than me.
     
  7. funny that's not what the recent statistics say :https://cultureposters.com/2019/08/16/which-countries-watch-the-most-porn/
    1. United States. ...
    2. United Kingdom. ...
    3. Canada. ...
    4. India. ...
    5. Japan. ...
    6. France. ...
    7. Germany.
    8. Italy
    9. Brazil.
    Those the satistics from 2019. Totally contradicting what you told me here, I don't know where you even got those informations.
    What I am supposed to believe ?
    Why do you want to make me believe the majority of men are like you. And only the minority is sane enough to stick to natural and biological sex ? Because I know men aren't some depraved pigs who lack honor and respect for sexual intercourse. Of course people might fantazise about things they won't be proud of, but it doesn't mean they lack self-respect to to arrive at the point of actually engaging in acts they will be ashamed of afterwards.
    I told you many many men wouldn't feel pride in doing such things, men have dignity too when it comes to sex. If a man has respect for his female partner and hmslef at the same occasion he wouldn't indulge such disgrace. There are forum members whose addiction didn't annihilate their concept of a healthy sexuality. They know how to separate the influence of their addiction from what is really meant to be done with a partner, they know that it's not because they fantazise about oral/anal sex they have any will to justify it and engage in it. It's called cognitive therapy, far more effective in following recovery and preserving a strong moral code.
     
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    https://****religious content****.org/who-are-the-biggest-consumers-of-internet-porn/

    ^ somehow the links website name is auto censored here but i can link it PM if u dont trust me, although there is no reason for me to lie anyways. But i may have misunderstood most shares vs most viewed, dont know what difference they mean. They say those have the biggest share of adult websites

    Not to mention blowjob (which is oral sex) and anal are amongst the most popular porn catagories in some middle eastern / north african countries.

    about ur above reply. Porn is artifical, correct? Artifical is not narutal. So porn is not natural. You have not said yet why oral sex is not natural, all you did was ask me to tell why it is natural... way to shift your lack of argument. You made the statement that it is unnatural, so u are the person that needs to provide the reasoning

    If you wanted to know why i dont like anal but like oral, its because i dont want to stick my genitals neither my mouth on the location where feces come out from. The mouth doesnt have that function like the anus. And also for religious purpose that anal is prohibited. And you asked if i view oral same while giving versus receiving and my answer is yes
     
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  9. There stats made by PH in both 2018 and 2019. Go look for them if you wish. Those are the countries with the highest traffic in both those years.
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    I don't see any north African country in sight. Nor any middle eastern country. What makes you believe the informations you have are more relevant than those from a formal source ? no one can be held accountable and responsible of publishing any statistics except the ones involved in the business company directly.
    Yeah, what a terrific predicament. Of course it doesn't, but it can be used as a vagina for the penis. Or as some sort of stimulation tool for the vulva. Clearly, who knew the mouth was meant to have such various ways that can't really be explained rationally ?
     
  10. You get in contact with feces sooner or later. The vagina and the anus of a woman are barely an inch away.
     
  11. When you look at the statistics of which countries watch the most porn (not that it's relevant for @shedernatinus, who just wants to find a man with similar sexual tastes), you might consider whether you want number of views, total time spent viewing per month, time per session, quantity downloaded, or some other measure (they're all different); and, whether you want absolute numbers or relative to the population size. After all, a country like (say) Gibraltar couldn't possibly compete with the USA in absolute terms, and yet (theoretically, probably not actually) could be higher relative to population size.

    Here's an interesting collection of statistics with some surprising results, although I don't know the reliability of their sources.

    But, as I say, this is of pure academic interest, because it's irrelevant to shedernatinus's search for the right man. I hope that you are successful in finding the man you want and need — such men definitely exist.
     
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    delibiretely sticking my genitals into the location where feces come from is way different than potentially cominh in contact unintentionally

    and the link shared by the member above me is the same statistics that were posted in my previous reply

    and you didnt talk about how anal is the most viewed catagory for 3 middle eastern north african countries for female viewers and 3 north african middle eastern countries having anal as most viewed in general in 2019. Those stats are from pornhub, same website you used to provide your stats

    you still didnt explain why oral sex is unnatural, you actually seemed to agreed with my reasoning as to why i dislike anal but like oral
     
  13. Thank you. I know sane men exist, and I'm also aware that culture and community norms have a strong influence on people. No one wants to be an outcast, and not every individual who watches some kind of porn means they feel proud about their behavior. Or that they will be sufficiently unscrupulous to dare justfying it and denying it's harms on both them and society structure.
    The level of porn obsession in liberal countries is undeniably exponentially bigger than any North African country, Or syria for that matter. Those stats date back to 2015, a year of war and terror for all syrians. I wonder if people would had the leisure to consume porn in such an unfortunate setting ? or in a refugee camp with little food or water, let alone internet and electricity ? this is among the reasons that make me doubt the reliability of those stats.
    The most important and revelative stats are the one showing the density of Daily traffics, If population size matters so much ,why doesn't russia or china rank first ? Scaling the world based on daily traffic isn't any diffrent from doing it based on the number of views. They identical to say the least. All the other 'metrics' are proportional to the number of daily traffics, or at least can be estimated based on it.
    All those factors are secondary and can't solely explain why a country ranks higher than the other. Cultural norms play a definitive role in swaying the balance for one place of the world over the other. In fact , they are the most important ingredient in predicting how much interest a community might have ,on the worldwide scale,toward a particular type of porn, or toward porn in general. Or how much the porn cosummers are willing to act this out in their lives without feelings of remorse or self-loathing.
     
  14. You need to understand two important details. One, for a category to gain some interest isn't synonymous with the actual number of people who are willing to engage in it in real life. Other factors come into play, such as cultural norms. Not all those who watch a particular type of porn are automatically willing to act all of this with real life partners, without having feelings of shame toward it as well as remorse. two, Focusing on the one part that watches anal porn/oral porn isn't a revelating element to say the majority is having an interest for it as a real life experience. It doesn't mean those people can't be minoritary on the scale of the whole population of the countries in study. This is another reason to add the traffic density into the study. Considering that the vast majority of north africans have either temporary or permanent access to the internet. And many could give a push to the numbers of traffic per day if the hypothesis you have is comfirmed. Increasing simultaneously the number in the rank in both the traffic/day and several others presented in PH 's report. Unless the interest for anal doesn't actually apply to the majority of the population in there.
    Because more are completely disturbed by it, what normal person wouldn't be ? the same applies for oral in many aspects.
    I think it can be summed in this way:
    The ratio of people with interest in anal/oral in real life=[the number of population with internet access-(those who watch but feel shame toward practicing it + those who watch only piv porn + those with little interest in porn, and whose brains weren't influenced much by it , thus maintaining relatvely normal sexual tastes/ low chance to be seduced by anal and oral practices]/ the total number of the population with internet access. It's better to put it this way to have an idea about the whole picture.
    What PH has done to obtain it's results is only focusing on the anal/oral search traffics they receive from those countries and compare them to the total traffics they receive from the same geographical location, giving them relative insight about traffics created by the ratio estimated above. And that is all for them, they didn't dwelve in this any deeper than that.
    This is why I prefer to rely on the numbers of traffic per day to form a good estimation for the behavioral structure of a whole population. Later, I might add other factors and try to comprehend what they truly mean. Without neglecting the whole cultural, religious, and socio-economic framing of the said population. As well as comparing it with some personal experiences in my surrounding area.
    Do I really need to explain anatomy basics to every member, over and over again ?. Give me a rest please, I do have patience and want to have long discussions but I am still human.
    You can ask doctors, medics, look inside an encyclopedia. Or just ask a middle schooler if this is what you want.
    Now that you have this information about the vagina-anus distance. It will become intentional in the future.
     
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    most people don't get turned on by oral? so incorrect. and it makes no sense to watch anal if you don't like it, the reason it is the most viewed catagory is because they like it. why watch it over and over if u dont like it, makes no sense. but why talk about sense when marital rape is still allowed there.

    still didnt explain why oral sex is unnatural so i'll take that as a lack of argument. And unintential contact is not the same as intentional contact there is no correlation
     
  17. it seems the great cycle is complete.
     
  18. ReclaimedLife

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    I'm pitching in because this has piqued my interest.

    Out of curiosity, did you have satisfying sex yet?

    And if the answer is "Yes":
    What did you enjoy the most?

    Should the answer be ""No":
    What do you think would be the right sex for you to feel good, given that vaginal intercourse will be your way to go? What about positions, kissing, scratching, different positions? Il leaving hitting the behind from the list because I'm pretty sure you consider it degrading to woman.
     
  19. I have nothing against positions. They don't seem disgusting or unnatural for me. They don't involve using some body part for an unintended and uncomfortable use.Oral and anal sex can be classified as deviant because of this specific reason. And thus they are seen to be degrading by many. I don't think positions fit that criteria. And if by hitting from behind you mean, vaginal intercourse from behind. Then, no I don't think it's degrading for the woman. The only thing that makes worry about it is the possibility of hitting the cervix. It's preferable to do it while sitting or standing. The man doesn't have to act dominant. It can happen while holding each others.
    Nope I have never been sexual with a man in my 23 years of life.
     
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  20. ReclaimedLife

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    That means you have a loooooooooong time to figure out what you really like.

    It sounds to me like you are a little stuck up in your head. Don't let what you think is right stop you from enjoying great sex.
    It feels that all you want is a loving husband who cares for you and respects all your boundaries, that's why you are so upfront with them.

    But let me tell you, sexual desire can change drastically during our lifetime. What you think involves good sex might change in a year.

    It all solely depends on the man you meet and choose to let in your life. He will determine on how open you will become. If he is truly loving and caring, and you know you can trust him 100% that he won't do something you don't want, you migth want to explore it more and actually enjoy it.

    You're so young. Don't let your mind get in the way of great sex, whether it's with oral/anal or without. Just explore yourself without thinking too much. ;)
     

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