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I’m going to see a therapist.

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by boyrose, Jun 9, 2020.

  1. boyrose

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    Tony Robbins says: when you’re trying to create change, if what you are doing isn’t working, instead of getting frustrated and quitting, just change (and if need be keep changing) your approach until you find something that does work.

    What I have been doing hasn’t been working. So I’m going to try something new this time:

    Im going to sit down and talk with someone. Through my work, I found that I have 3 free 60 minute sessions to sit down and talk with a therapist of sorts (meaning because it’s free, I had limited options of who I could see, so this person is not technically a sex therapist, so beggars can’t be choosy, but it’s a start).

    But I wouldn’t mind paying out of pocket for 1-2 sessions with a real sex therapist who has multiple years under their belt. I know that would be expensive but like said before, gotta find something that works.

    I have accepted that what I have been doing for the last almost 2 years hasn’t been working. 16 days is the longest streak i have put together in that time. And most of that 2 years has been spent just giving up and giving into PMO because it takes so much effort to nofap.

    It always seems that no matter how much “will power” I have starting out on a new attempt of nofap, eventually I always fall back into old habits of first: watching sleazy stuff on youtube, which in return leads to porn. And at that point my streak is over, and from there it’s always easy to just say screw it and PMO and then that leads into a binge of PMO...Which usually leads into months of not even trying to nofap, but instead spending anywhere from 15 minutes to 2 hours a day looking at porn and on average masterbating twice a day. I found that I usually PMO when I first wake up in the morning and then do it again at night before bed....and if it’s a day off from work I might PMO 3-4 times a day.

    Anyone have any thoughts?

    Thanks.
     
  2. ichabodcr

    ichabodcr Fapstronaut

    Seeing a therapist surely wouldn't hurt. Especially if it's free :)

    I would dare to say that simply having a chance to TALK about your addiction with anyone would be valuable, regardless of the fact that the person you talk to is a therapist or not.

    Having someone listen and give an honest opinion from an outside point of view would surely be beneficial.

    Said that... if your counter is right, then you've been clean 13 days, that's no mean feat! Quitting is hard as a whole process, but the simple things you need to do every day are easy.
    You seem to know your pattern, don't get into it again. Deep down we all know the road that leads to fapping and how to avoid taking it, it's a choice, take the right path and try to stay on it my friend!

    Best of luck in your journey.
     
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  3. boyrose

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    Thanks for the reply. If you had time to respond to the latter, maybe you can find time to respond to this new question...Am I addicted to PMO?

    If you ask the common male who has never tried nofap, if they have a PMO problem they will likely say no...but when they try nofap and realize it is very difficult to put days in between looking at sleazy stuff on the internet; is that not more or less the definition of an addiction? If someone told us they struggle (even though they try) to go more than a couple days without drinking alcohol before they fall back into their old drinking habits again we would say they have a drinking problem. In that same context then, I must have an addiction to PMO right?

    But PMO addiction is kind of odd if you stop and think about it. Because the variety of internet porn that we have today is not to much older than 10 years. Most people can understand the negative consequences for someone who struggles to refrain from having sex with actual people (a sex addict) and can see the possible repercussions of that: possibly fathering babies from several different woman, being berried in child support payments, STD, if they are married then destroying their marriage, etc. But being addicted to those sleazy images on a computer screen; that’s something else...

    Another thought I had. I’ve never really dated much in my life. Probably because I could always rely on that computer screen as a companion. I bet if I started online dating and actually seeing real women that would help cure this PMO problem.

    What better way to replace good old reliable (sleazy images on a computer screen) than with an actual real life human?
     
  4. I found seeing a therapist to be very helpful. I have not broken the porn habit yet. I might not ever, but I found it very helpful to talk with a professional about the bullshit that goes on between my ears. And how I actually use my time.
     
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  5. boyrose

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    thanks for replying
     
  6. All I can recommend with a therapist, is to lay it all out there for them. Most people that become therapist have a curiosity on what makes people do and act they way they do.

    That was recommended to me before I started therapy and it seems to help me understand myself more and my methods of operation for life and the problems I face in it.
     
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  7. Seeing a therapist is a wise decision. I was seeing a therapist on and off for nearly a decade before I finally had the courage to tell her about my PMO. I do not think this was a surprise to her. That was in January, 2019. I am lucky - my insurance covers my sessions.
    In some cases I can see the person not necessarily being cured but being in a far more confident position from which to manage one's PMO, thanks to therapy. I am far from being cured (again, I think the best we can hope for is managing it) but therapy has been the best thing I have done for myself in terms of this affliction. My sessions have been very eye opening for me since speaking about it.
    If you do not feel the therapist is the right fit for you, find someone else. They don't (or shouldn't) take it personally. Also, they need to be great listeners because it's your duty to talk and listen to yourself while you speak in the sessions. With the right therapist, you will learn a lot about yourself because you get to listen to yourself. Finally, even though you want to get your PMO under control, I would advise to speak about your life in general terms in the first session. This will allow you to decide if this therapist is right for you. Background details of your life, your health, your education, your current feelings about your life and work are all things that are helpful to the therapist. I wish you the best in this pursuit.
     
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  8. Awedouble

    Awedouble Fapstronaut

    Please do not have this simplistic thought as an easy solution, I'll come back to this but you're most likely going to set yourself up for disappointment and unnecessary stress.

    As far as seeing a therapist, sure you might as well use that benefit - we have it too and I've used it, though not for the PMO issue. After all it is only like 3-5 sessions. The issue with therapy is it is really hard to find someone really good and even then it takes a long time for them to get to know you and your issue well enough (especially if they don't real with addiction issues normally, let alone sex and sex related addiction) and frankly they get paid by the hour, they don't get paid by result or giving you results fast.

    I don't want to give you a pessimistic idea, but a realistic one. I currently have a retired therapist as an AP, and I've sat in rooms with a bunch of therapists (I am not one) hearing about their treatment approaches, some of them with a PhD, and some quite accomplished like they teach/taught and supervise the others.

    It doesn't work fast.

    And it's probably harder to find a good therapist (who is taking new clients) than finding a girlfriend to be honest.

    Since we have to be in it for the long run the best thing you can do is to educate yourself and have that psychological awareness, which brings me back to the point about expecting a woman to cure the issue. This is of course based on a simple substitution logic. The problem is just like therapists, having a significant other as a partner is a long term relationship, and they are both human beings who are complex. At least the therapist in the relationship is educated in that regard, which isn't a guarantee as to their objectivity in the context of a romantic relationship, but you have to keep in mind people have all sorts of psychological issues. As we know some women have PMO as an issue, but there are plenty of OTHER issues that can make for drama and serious stress in life. I would never say don't try because it's too messy but you want to learn enough to know what you're getting yourself into. The thing is even if you read about it you're probably not going to be prepared for the reality, like if I mention personality disorders that probably means next to nothing to most people.

    Of course you could get lucky, you may find the process enjoyable and not have that much expectation but don't expect it to be the one thing to knock it out of the park. I think one of the problems is people think any ONE thing will fix their problem, whether that's a mental or physical disease it is just way too simplistic. If it takes just a few things simultaneously the One Cure To Fix It All approach will NEVER, NEVER get it.

    Edit: If this sounds negative it's probably because I am addressing it from the perspective of completely curing it. It can be really helpful if it's new to you. But there's a reason why lifestyle changes are important, but the way a lot of people post on here sounds like they are always looking for that one thing. It doesn't exist, it's many and really ultimately all things in their life.
     
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    thanks or responding
     
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    I don’t expect a therapist to “cure” me. Instead, it’s more like: I need some kind of serious accountability partner. I have yet to have found one on this forum; so I’m creating one in the form of a therapist. Through the last two years of trial and error (and mostly failure) I’ve learned one important thing about myself: I tend to succeed more when there is accountability on the line.

    Accountability has worked for me in the past in areas such as losing weight. Or money can be an accountability partner: last year I told someone that I’m going to lose 15 pounds in a month or I’ll pay you 1,000 dollars. You can bet I was focused on day one so as not to have to pay that 1,000 dollars. And that’s kind of how I see a therapist, because I know it’s something that I can’t afford for very long. So like the 1,000 dollar weight loss bet, hopefully this gets me focused right away. Otherwise I’ll just be wasting hard earned money and even worse, have to go back to the drawing board.
     
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  12. Awedouble

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    Yeah in your benefits program you also have a limited number of sessions so of course it's good to pick a good one and make the most of it, and no doubt it will be informative and you'll learn something if the experience is new to you. Hopefully they can help you unpack things a bit and gain some insight, point you in the right direction - which is of course what they're supposed to do. That may not necessarily have the effect of immediately improving numbers but you could recognize the value of the direction and reflection. Unfortunately the system is just limited and it's about what insurance pays for, and the therapists are also human and limited in their capacity.
     
  13. TimeToQuitNow

    TimeToQuitNow Fapstronaut

    I have done that myself. It helps a lot
     
  14. Total respect, brother.
     
  15. ichabodcr

    ichabodcr Fapstronaut

    Hello my friend, a simple piece of advice... don't go down the road of online dating.
    Online dating sites are borderline porn, with 90% of the women either being bots, scammers or webcam professionals trying to make money out of it.

    Not only the site itself will try and get every penny out of you and keep you hooked with different strategies, but also the few real users that will get in touch will be mostly interested in making easy money out of you.

    On top of this the imagery on dating sites and apps is again borderline pornographic and very triggering. Going in that direction will only set you back.

    If you feel you want to date women please do that the old fashioned way. Go out and meet them. It's bloody hard, but try anything related to your interests, meetup groups, sport, dancing or fitness courses, whatever tickles your fancy, but please leave online dating alone at this stage if you're trying to quit porn.
     
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  16. boyrose

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    Good idea. I had a 16 day streak going once, and I went to an online dating site (I was already in the quick sand at this point, I new I was going to relapse) and that was the end of my streak. You’re correct. Especially two weeks in it don’t take much to relapse.
     

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