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Married 36 years old aiming for a change

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by drquit, May 24, 2020.

  1. drquit

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    Hi everyone,

    So far thank you for all the useful threads and stories so far. It feels so great to know I'm not alone in this dark world of porn.

    I started watching porn at 13-14 something like that, started to watch porn on late night, then dial up internet connection (most nudes of celebs) then hardcore on fast connection lines. Had a girlfriend when I was 17 and had some serious problem with her due to porn (as I figured out now). A lot of jealousy issue due to my insecurity and the feeling my cock was not big enough in comparison to pornstars. I had some ED issues already back then and probably this was PIED that have been an issue ever since. Some periods I was not able to get an erection at all for weeks (but when watching porn it worked) this left me with insecurity to date girls. However, most of the times I could get an erection and have intercourse but always afraid it would't last as long as I wanted. Never rock hard as when I was young, so avoided sex when I had to stand up. Had a couple of gf (3-4) and all of my relationships were troubled with jealousy issues due to my insecurity. I wanted more and more hardcore sex to feel it was meaningful thing to do with my partner (bdsm, more extreme toys). I'm well educated, phd and possess a high position in my career. PMO was my way to struggle with anxiety during university, did it easily 2-4 times a day/night to coop with my studies and all the stress. It made me feel calm, and keep my mind elsewhere to escape from all the pressure. It become a lifestyle. Now married 2 children, and during periods of stress I use PMO to coop with it. Never got any of these "high feelings" from exercise, probably due to my dopamine system was already boosted due to porn. The longest abstinence from PMO since I started when I was a teenager is maximum 10 days. Never felt any need to change it. Sometimes when I'm off working in another city I'm alone and indulge even more in PMO and then feel awful afterwards. Sometimes I do it for half the night and then feel tired and irritated the next day. No "feel good" emotions during the day, but when I know that I can PMO in a few hours after wife went to bed I feel "happy" since I know I will get a reward.

    Latley, last couple of years, I need even more perverted porn to get aroused (want to see my partner with other men, or talk about other men in order to O) I watch other couples N pics and want my wife to do the same (I somehow got it wrong and in my world it is natural do do this instead of understand that the porn was the evil thing that made this a normal scenario and way of handle it). I thought I had a high sex drive and my wife never met my demands why I justify my behavior with PMO. I kept distancing myself from my wife and family and avoided touching her and get into intimate situations with her. I never understood why, but now probably because sex with her was not as good as watching all the endless porn out there (and stuff that she never would agree to do). My behavior also changed, that I kept further distancing, sometimes it was better to have an argue so you could do the PMO without her judging you since you were having an argue about something meaningless.

    Now my relationship is really threatened and she have told me it is due to porn (since I somehow admitted it is not good for my relationships) and she read a book and told me about this place. I read a lot and I'm convinced this is the right pattern to walk in order to change my behaviour. To get more energy be more confident and start to get turned on by my partner and enjoy sex on a higher level.

    I'm worried about the urges to fall into relapse, but this time I'm more mentally convinced and positive to transform into a better me. I'm worried about the sex with her, how do you guys do living with a partner? Do you avoid all sexual activity with your partner (including not satisfy her with touching, oral?) or do you do intercourse only with your partner?

    Any tips to get this going on the right way is welcome. I hope to get all the support here and looking forward to do my best

    / a new friend
     
  2. Metis07

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    Hey man, from PhD to PhD lol, what helps, from my personal experience (you may find some other stuff what helps you):
    1. Pray and ask for help
    2. Get knowledge about this addiction (nofap, yourbrainonporn, etc.), scientific stuff and others experience
    3. Do sports you like
    4. Try to eat healthy (less sweets, etc.)
    5. Have a daily routine and schedule, when you go to bed, when you get up
    6. Take cold showers (not straight away, little by little, but aiming at complete cold shower for like 5-10 minutes, REALLY worth it)
    7. Mindfulness exercises and meditation
    8. Fasting (once a week for example)
    9. Lower your gaze (don’t gaze women, look for ‘beautiful’ pictures in internet, etc.) and don't use P-subs (no Instagram, social media, Youtube music videos, IF you use them (and unfortunately almost every time people use them) as a P-sub (to see some beautiful girls). Even a little slip (‘ok I want to check up this beautiful actress’) will create a tension and easily lead to PMO.
    10. In case of relapse (it's bad, but it happens, no need to feel too much ashamed and feel too much self-pity) analyze what have brought you to viewing P (boredom, loneliness, fear or other negative emotions, etc.) and pattern of your actions just before viewing P (Youtube music videos, Instagram, etc.), adjust your Nofap strategy and get back on track.
    11. In case of a relapse you can make a vow to yourself to do something (like to do additional prayers or to pay some money for charity (not a big sum, but not a little), something not too hard, but not too easy either.

    It won’t be easy especially sometimes (continue no matter what), but it’s totally worth it, do at least 90 days (better 1 year but it’s up to you) hard mode as an experiment (you loose nothing) and see yourself.

    As for your questions about sex during your marriage now hope someone experienced will answer.
     
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  3. geekpie

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    Your situation sounds very much like mine. I too am trying to set out on a journey of recovery and form new positive habits, for the sake of me and my wife. We're both worried about the lack of intimacy at the moment (although I haven't spoken to her about NoFap), and I'm hoping these changes will help and I'll get my libido back and beat this depression.

    Good luck, look forward to hearing your progress.
     
  4. drquit

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    Thank metis08 and geekpie for your support.

    day 2: was at work , LOT of pretty girls hard not seeing them as sex objects. Tried my best to stop Using my old wires and had a picture of a watch to stop thinking about sex... worked.

    damn i start to feel the urge to relaps but i want fuck no!!! I Will beat this shit!

    wife is supporting me!!! Very useful in deed

    Keep up folks
     
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  5. drquit

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    Day 4

    today was good no craving for pmo
     
  6. Hey Dr. Quit (great username!),
    You are fortunate to have a partner that involves herself in this process. From what I read she cares for you and wants to make the relationship work. Now that is one brave and strong women! You should be very thankful for that because her involvement and her emotional investment can be the main driver to beat this addiction.

    So keep her involved. Talk with her what you both do, think, feel. Make a battle plan together.
    Sex .. better not set the sheets ablaze for a few months. Or try it and laugh at how bad we are actually at it :) Things will get better in time. You will be amazed on the changes in your head, body and relationship.

    I can write much more but have to go now. I wish you good luck!
     
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  7. drquit

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    Thank you Sir and for your time to spend on me and the kind words about my better half


     
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  8. drquit

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    Day 9 so Easy!!! Less foggy brain more hardons in the morning love it!!! Been talking daily Cold swims in the ocean!!!!
     
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  9. Metis07

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    Cool!
     
  10. Yep, your story sounds so familiar (I imagine to a lot of us). My experience, sex with your wife is absolutely fine and to be honest it's the biggest thing that keeps me going in this. I had over 90 days earlier this year and let it all go to shit but the problems you talk about (ED, intercourse issues, feeling inferior or needing pmo for that high) are why I'm back on it again. I think you are hugely lucky to have a wife spelling you in this, I've always chickened out and not told mine so I have to just get on with it alone.

    Whenever you get urges just keep asking yourself WHY. Why do you feel this way? Went do you want pmo? Why do you want to not relapse? Why did you start this? Make that WHY strong and stick with it.
     
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  11. The WHY is always important, but be patient. First months you are just detoxing and the mental stuff is messy. It's not until we settle with the absence of the drug that there will only be one final WHY. So be patient.
    This is from personal experience, it may be different for others.
     
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  12. lardy_renewed

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    It's important to communicate with your partner about it. Let her know you are really trying to quit. Inform her of any revelations you may have along the way. Don't become complacent, sensitization will get strong 2-3 weeks after quitting. Don't use psubs or an unhealthy alternative to P. Be weary that addiction can replace addiction. What do I mean? You may find yourself increasing consumption of alcohol, binge eating or smoking etc.
    There are some really good sources of info on P addiction and how to overcome it. I subscribe to Universal Man on YouTube he was a former addict whilst in a relationship like us but now has recovered an is a coach to others. The key here is that P gives a very big high so this high needs to be replaced with another high. However there is no natural high that can replace P so it you need to gradually introduce several smaller highs such as exercising, walking, crafting etc.
     
  13. drquit

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    Hi there thanx for Wise words!

    today is day 13 hard mode

    noticed very hard n long morning Woods! Nice feeling
     
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  14. drquit

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    Day 15 hardmode Nice long erections hard as hell. Soon going to travet working n stay at hotel (use to be my fap time) hope i Will resist
     
  15. Rev2.0

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    Same here. When I really starting looking long and hard at my PMO issues were when my wife went into treatment for cancer 3 years ago. I committed myself to giving her a better man (in many aspects, not just that) when she came out the other side. Which she did, but the treatment affected her insides such that we could no longer have sex. Now she's recovered from that but has had another major procedure that has her unavailable to me for the foreseeable future.

    I'm making progress beating PMO (P more than MO at this point), but am struggling with a lot of anger about having been in an essentially sexless marriage the past 3 years. I am committed to her and will never look for sex outside our relationship but it has caused me strong desires to escape into fantasy, etc. The medical issues have also greatly impacted her physical appearance and I frequently struggle to feel attracted to her, which makes the appeal of beautiful women in P and Psubs all the harder to counter.

    I would just encourage you to stay strong in your fight and to appreciate the gift that great sex within marriage is, because it can be taken away from you at any time.
     
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  16. drquit

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    Update guys!

    Fuck fuck fuck. So i made it hardcode 18 days. Then I went away to work for 5 days. Started before I left that I and wife took a shower, I hade very much improved erections, very hard and hard fast. I satisfied her orally and she sucked on my cock for like 1. min . Then the next day I was soooo horny. I started watch blogs bikini girls,,,,, then I started to watch nude girls pics, then I was like "whatever I already watch nudes and jerked off so I can do the porn also" so I did, MANY hours like 4-5 hours for 2 days. I jerked off (never came) and I jerked off so much until my cock was unable to get hard. Then I realized the huge difference without PMO (very hard, fast) to the opposite. I did not feel the "high on serotonin" feeling as I used to, rather dull after some time. was just nice feeling the precum edging. however when I came home I was a mess (my brain is still not foggy, feels like fogginess is due to after cumshut" but I felt very jealous. After watching a lot of threesome, cuckold, hot wife stuff I was extremely jealous with my wife and very angry and edgy. A total asshole. I realised that this porn make you to an jealous angry asshole.

    The following things I realized.
    1. The "high" feeling was not as good as I thought, rather dull
    2. Yes the erections was hard and it was very nice to edge VERY nice and I felt I could realise a huge load.
    3. The anxiety, feeling depressed and disappointed after the porn and jerk off was terrible, absoultuley terrible and it was NOT worth it.
    4. No cumshot and I did not have the foggy feeling in my head. I think cumshot causes foggy head.
    5. I was edgy, jealous and an asshole after watching porn and was very angry with my wife for minor things.
    6. I wanted to have sex with her but she said no since she said I have to reset and she was not very keen on sex due to my behavior. This made me more angry.

    The question is. After you have done hard mode PMO and u feel strong, healthy, good erections, morning woods (this is already back now after this 2 days back to hardmode, so it feels I'm not on square 1 but just a couple of days back) then it is maybe better to have sex with wife and release the cumshot in her vagina than just edge and get horny and end up in the dark porn world again?

    Any thoughts?
     
  17. Of course you should. Though personally I would describe it a bit less graphic ;)
    This is all about getting to appreciate real, human connection. Love. Back in my addicted days I would seach for 'love' on p-sites endlessly and never found it. It is the one category that can't be synthesized.
     

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