the ideal male (sarcastic post maybe)

Ideals not equal realism. That one is pretty good.

 

Your point is valid. My post was too simplistic, not realistic.

There’s a time and place where we do need to “be ourselves” and not worry about changing how we act to please people. We should NOT live the life of a “people pleaser”.

Then there are times when we need to evaluate our actions and attitudes and see if change is needed in our lives.

Quick simplistic answers such as the one I gave aren’t wise and I should have thought through my answer better.

Thanks for the very good input.

(And no I’m NOT being sarcastic)

 

You must have read too many clickbaits and are lost in the stream of nonsense.
The truth is that you are who you are and for the time being this is what you are. No point getting too stressed over that. But in the long run you should be aiming at improving whatever there is to improve.
The idea is super simple. I bet some gurus are making a big deal out of it to get some following or something. Because this isn't hard to grasp. Yet they make it look like something intangible.
Bet there are online courses on how to be yourself etc. But that's outside of the discussion.

 

I don’t think so.

I think it can be helpful to discuss these things and throw out ideas.

I have learned from others, hey maybe someone out there might learn from me.

 

Learned what?
The thing about being yourself is about being what you are and not trying to be someone you are not in order to please others.

 

I was speaking generally about all that I’ve read throughout this forum throughout the two years I’ve been here.

I’ve learned quite a bit from people here on this forum who were simply throwing things out there for discussion.

With that I think I’m guilty of derailing this thread.

I apologize to the OP.

This will be me last post on this thread.

 

Fortunately now you are an adult with your own brain and you can not make these same mistakes ever again

 

That´s not true anymore, this list is more significant in the 20th century and prior. Nowadays everyone is for demasculinazation of men and if you´re anything like that list you are "toxic."

I´m in europe currently and most guys here are pussies.

 

I guess a pussy is someone who is weak.

And unlearning things is super easy: You just assume that it's all bollocks and treat it as such unless it can be proven that it's not bollocks.

 

This list is not a bad example for good characteristics of a man, ofcourse we can't be everything here, but we can be a little from each number and we will still be manly enough

 

No, it is not ok. A feminine man, is a man that follows the herd, a sheep and is succumb to his mental weakness. You know why society is so degenerate now? WEAK men, no authority, no power.

 

I smell some redpill stuff here. Thank you, but no.

The main problem nowadays is in the way internet evolved. Its creators wanted it to be a repository of human knowledge. Right now is more of a tool to manipulate people's attention to make them waste time on useless activities like porn or social media.

 

Don´t really get the trend with this "pill" shit. Explain yourself please.

And yes, that´s why you´ll always hear that women don´t dig "nice" guys, that kiss ass. They like men that stand their ground and know what they want. But most men nowadays are "nice" and too weak to stand up for what they believe in.

 

Redpill guys are just a bunch of mysoginists that need to hate women and feminity in order to feel good. I'm not interested in this at all. Basically peddling this narrative that man became "feminized" is bollocks. Men (and women) were always told what to do by some higher authority, you just don't like the current society so you want some return to mythological past when men were stronger.

What is real is that everyone is nowadays bombarded by this kind of high-distraction stuff and it messes up our brains. It's very dystopian. The idea is that people who are constantly distracted are more easily controlled. Alienation from work (growing number of people doing useless jobs they hate and don't identify with) is the second part of this puzzle - when you constantly feel shitty after you work, then you are more vulnerable to using stuff that is bad for you.

Also everyone respects people who are not scared of stating their opinion and belief. Not only women. It's universal. But to be respected also means to be honest and vulnerable, not being some kind of macho asshole with "authority" or harsh disciplinarian with "power" - such guys are just masking their own insecurities by exaggerated aggressiveness and dominance. Better read about Shackleton, he is the someone to be admired.

And in my opinion there is no use investing too much effort in dating or looking for a partner. Most of the time spent on dating is wasted in my opinion. Especially dating for sex. Better to just do your stuff and act when some opportunity arises.

 

A lot of items on your list depend on other people (and/or chance) - not things that you have control over. other people won't make you an ideal man, that has to come from you, and the choices you make, and the way you react to people and situations that you find yourself in.

Act like a good friend, act like a good leader. It's up to other people if they choose to follow or not - doesn't make you less of a man if they do or don't.

Anyone can be bullied. Stand up for yourself, act with dignity, and don't define yourself by other people's shitty behaviour.

Sounds great, but you should ALWAYS admit where your knowledge lies and admit where it doesn't. Be willing to learn and be willing to teach, as appropriate for each situation.

Now these are things you can do something about! Although, I'd rather be single than have a girlfriend that I'm not really into. And, again, if a girl chooses not to be with you, it's not something you can control and it doesn't effect how good of a man you are.

who cares? It's women who have the biological clocks. My uncle had his first child at 63. You have all the time in the world. Get married if you have met the right person, don't if you haven't.

10)Learn to deal with your emotions, good or bad
11)Face up to your life regrets and LEARN from them

It's just chance, but it's always a good idea to pursue good health.

YES

YES

Just be relaxed, comfortable in your own skin. The radiant smile will follow!

A real man is his own authority! (I guess?) but you need to learn how to handle each situation in its own way. It might be a case of standing up for yourself and your family, it may something subtler. There is nothing wrong with asking for help if a situation is not one you can handle on your own. It's always better to be honest about your shortcomings than pretend to be ok when you are not.

 

I will agree with the general premise that we have an oudated and seemingly useless stereotype of what a man should be. It winds up hurting a lot of people. I can happily say that I don't fit that stereotype, nor do I care, even though some people around me desperately want me to fit the mold and express their disapproval when I don't radiate with all the signs of the "ideal man".