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Am I being unreasonable?

Discussion in 'Partner Support' started by Jmar90, Jun 25, 2020.

  1. Jmar90

    Jmar90 Fapstronaut

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    Hi all, My partner was reliant on porn ( cams and boobyday) throughout his single life. It was part of his daily routine if you like. I made it clear in our relationship early on that I don't agree with porn use in relationships and he said he would stop. Of course it wasn't as simple as that. I uncovered him still using it and we had the conversations again and then the promises were made again etc. I found it again...it went on and on. There were elements of gaslighting too in the end. He also used to openly oggle women in the street and all of this has led to me having quite severe insecurities etc. We started using Accountability software and made new promises and all seemed to be going well. My partner also goes in cycles with productivity and being slightly detached. When things are good he will eat well, exercise and spend less time playing games and more time doing important stuff. This then slips away and we talk and then he tries again. He recently slipped back into bad habits and I suspected he was looking at soft porn at the least again. I asked him directly and he said no. I later found that he had been looking at images of women online ( daily mail type images) and deleting it from his history. Whilst I believe he isn't watching porn again I don't like that he has lied and I feel if he starts looking at this he will ultimately end up watching porn again. Am I being unreasonable?
     
  2. Awedouble

    Awedouble Fapstronaut

    No you're not. There's a question of honesty and cognitive dissonance, I think addicts compartmentalize.

    Is he on here and is he into rebooting? Or is he mostly doing it for you but don't really recognize it is an issue?
     
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  3. Jmar90

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    He recognises its an issue and he is going to counselling to see why he in his words keeps 'sabotaging' the relationship. He has never rebooted, he joined an accountability group but was alienated by the other people in it as they were more 'extreme' than him. He has never chosen to use porn over having sex but has obviously lied profusely to cover up doing it while I'm not around. I do think him looking at provocative images of women clothed or unclothed is a gateway back into porn use but I don't want to seem neurotic.
     
  4. Awedouble

    Awedouble Fapstronaut

    No we even have a word for it: p-Sub or porn substitute.

    The thing about user AP groups on NoFap is it is less organized, and overall there's just a balance of working a program vs. the social aspect, and you may even get some extremism with 12 Step groups but there is the alternative of official NoFap group calls now, I've been thinking of checking out the drop in one. Of course a person has to be aware there is a social need as a part of this process. I live in an area where before the lockdown there was a ton of face to face addiction support groups, frankly I think a lot of people, particularly new to recovery took that for granted and largely fell away since the change to the Zoom standard. They can obviously go online but they are just not making that effort. We occasionally see comments like people don't want to associate with weirdos and perverts, but hello - if we're on this site that's true for all of us to some extent! There's just this general tendency to be socially isolated and that has to be reversed in recovery. It doesn't mean that people are automatically going to meet their best friends in this context or even have that as a goal, but there is a question about taking that aspect of it seriously and giving it a chance. It is also mostly a volunteer effort so people looking to "get" support will not contribute to that kind of organized effort. There's nothing stopping people from forming an organized group instead of an extreme rah rah kind of AP group, even if NoFap didn't officially offer these groups people just have to make the effort to put it together themselves. All we actually have to do is make the effort to go since it is available.
     
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  5. Jmar90

    Jmar90 Fapstronaut

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    I completely agree. In my mind he accepts he has a problem because of what it has done to the relationship but not a problem for him personally. He doesn't see that while he is wasting his time looking at these pictures and previously watching porn he would be doing something to feel proud of himself rather than constantly giving in to weakness. Something he does a lot with other aspects of his life, he is not at all focussed and I think his prior porn use has a lot to do with that. In terms of AP groups, he tried only one and gave up because the guys where still in the thick of their porn use and the majority were straight men addicted to gay porn and he couldn't relate to it. Personally I think he gave up because he either thought it was BS or didn't want to admit the problem was as bad as what it was.
     
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  6. Awedouble

    Awedouble Fapstronaut

    To be fair I think a lot of groups have a quality issue, but that's why it needs to be recognised it takes work. I think when everyone just goes to get support and nobody thinks about how to provide it beyond the bottom line of not acting out the results will be limited. Also there's just only so much we can expect to happen when it's a volunteer effort. Basically though it's just only going to be a small fraction of what it could be if it's a bunch of people hanging out talking. It's not even guaranteed when there's a structure.
     
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  7. Checking out women you are not in a relationship with is bogus and you hit the nail on the head of the time and focus it wastes. If he is with such a caring and loving woman why can't he turn off his ego for a moment and trust her, consider what she is suggesting. Some people like drugs, some people like spending stupid amounts of money. It is possible to like things that are not good for us. Such as looking at other woman, whether clothed or not.

    Best of luck
     
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