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Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by White_umbrella, Jul 3, 2020.

  1. Someone here have experience with cilice or use cilice before?!
    And how to make or get one good cilice?
    Please dont make confusion about "cilice and discipline" that are different things.
    Discipline is the use of painfull things like whips, penance and other stuff but cilice is diferent, cilice is used to give some type of symbolic small uncomfortable stuff in ourselfs day to day.
    For what i research there diferent types of cilice like hairshirt, goat, rope, one small belt a litle more tied to the body ussually the leg without need to be extrem shure, maby some small rope with some small knots in the leg... things like that, some of they are made with metal but for what i understand this metal cilice they dont need to be painfull or sadism like many persons can think... or tied to tight. cilice intention is have something in the body to cause some uncomfortable day to day. "a way to say it"
    Do you think this can be one good ally?!

    Well... if we have our mind focus in the felling of cilice in our body, something touching our body we maby can divert our mind from other stuff like thinking in sex.
    Or maby relaxing the body to much and put him to lazy in the in the day to day, or having lazer times or like nathing to do times can help can help our body be more receptive to think about sex and make our mind thinking about sex. Maby that where the cilice can help. What do you think?!
    So maby if we have one cilice we can help to avoid or body be so lazy, relaxed and dont stay so receptive to think about sex.
    So maby if we use cilice we will keep our body in constant no full lazy and put our mind thinking in our cilice in our body and not the other stuff "sex" and maby avoid too have one receptive body relaxed and lazy to this stuff we want to try to avoid.

    The other stuff is maby if we have the felling of the cilice in our body all day it will keep us in constant remember in our mind that we are try to avoid this stuff. And i think maby is good if we have something to remember us all full day what we want to try to avoid this stuff.
    What do you think about this stuff?!
    Anyone with experience with cilice before?!
    Put your opinions, experiences in the comments.
     
  2. Foxhole

    Foxhole Fapstronaut

    Hey. Have no experience with cilice, but i can imagine it can work very individually. For some it might be helpf, for someone else it can be a reminder of pmo in a bad way and for someone who's into bdsm it might be actual relapse.
    Anyway it reminds me a technique i used to try - just wearing a rubber band on my wrist and everytime i felt urges i just flicked myself with it to remind myself i should not follow the urges. Maybe it can work similarly.
     
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  3. Foxhole
    Thanks for your comment i´m very appreciated.
    I think maby we shoud considerer one small type of cilice your rubber band, mixed with a litle of small discipline if you flicked.
    I think is one interesting technique, thanks for sharing.
    About bdsm i understand what you mean but maby it´s a little complex topic to go around. Some persons maby can reach with pain but if you know you can use the same pain but in different ways to have opposite effect to block to reach. And i think you right depends in person for person.
    So in this situation maby the persons need to find one cilice that dont trigger like if is trigger is pain so he use one soft no painfull cilice, and there are lot of types of cilices like one simple goat hair i think.
    I think the idea of cilice is not be sexual or need to be painfull but maby to avoid our body to be lazy in the full day and maby get lazy can help the body to be receptive to this stuff we try to avoid.
     
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  4. Foxhole

    Foxhole Fapstronaut

    Although i got your point my i have this rule of thumb is: if you're not sure, don't do it.

    For some kinks this is definitely grey area a my suggestion is clear - just find another way. How do you even came up with the idea? It's not a common thing, right? So my guess is, it's somehow related to your "porn history". Get rid of it. You need to star clean.

    I had similiar discussion earlier about chastity devices - it seems like a good idea at first, but of course it's terrible idea. It only draw attention back to M and that's something you definitely don't want to. So that's my opinion on it.
     
  5. Foxhole
    Well..., I´m not experience in this stuff that why i open this question here asking if someone have more experience about this stuff or try it before or have more information.
    Well... I´m not a very shure how i even come up with idea maby one set of situations but if we look to the life of Saints we can realize many of they used cilice and if the Saints are Saints and used cilice before maby it is because have some effect and work or help in some way, so i was just thinking and try to get some more information about this stuff and if someone have used and try it before here nathing more... and if maby this can be used like one old ally resource.
    I think you are doing confusion and think cilice is this metal stuff that looks some sadist stuff that ussually appears when you reseach online ussually connected to Opus Dei founded by Saint José María Escrivá de Balager, but one cilice dont need to be this metal stuff that looks some sadist stuff, one cilice can be one simple small rope rope with knots, one rought belt in your leg or goat hair in your leg, feet or something else like your rubber band in your wrist... and i dont think that need to be associated to sex just because you are using one rubber band, one small ribbon of goat hair, belt, or rope stuff in your leg, maby your feet or something, like i say before there are many types of cilcie.
    I think the idea is to keep the body not lazy all day using something in the body that can maby can give some small discomfort "a way of saying" or maby some body touch and that dont need to be sexual but maby just to keep the body not very lazy full day.
    So what is your comments and opinions about this?
     
  6. Foxhole

    Foxhole Fapstronaut

    I don't know. My opinion stays the same. I can't see how minor physical discomfort can help. I wear my rubber band not because i want to "keep the body not lazy", but as a way to punish myself whenever I'm going to do something bad. Anyway I can do it, because pain cause me absolutely no pleasure. Otherwise i would find some other way.

    I guess cilice will only draw attention back to body, ergo sex. The point is to focus on something different. Do a productive job, hang out with friends, help other people. Fulfill your life so you won't need PMO. And maybe later stop keeping yourself busy and learn how to be yourself and consciously choose not to indulge yourself. Cilice just doesn't fit in this.

    But i you want your body not become laze I would recommend cold showers and regular training. It'll do the job without side effects.

    Nope i don't think it's valid argument. Jesus was whipped and tortured and i won't recommend it either.
     

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