Why people hate Incels?

I think the most masculine part of life is that no matter how much shit people are throwing at you, you overcome it.
Thats what incels can't do. They can't handle rejection. They can't handle stress. They can't handle shittalk they were receiving from scool girls, anyone basically.
Yeah nowdays everyone talks about how "men should cry more" or how "men should have more feelings". I'm not saying you shouldn't Im only saying that its highly not masculine. And woman reject it.
By whining about being an incel, or basically whining about anything is the worst thing you can do if you want to get laid.
What you do if you are a competative man is you don't give a shit about what you were tolld and behave like a man. Or you remain an incel.

Blaming others and showing off that you are incompetent is basically suicide. Woman search for a competent mate. By voluntary telling them you aren't one kills your chances.

 

You are lucky. Actually I am lucky aswell. I live in a quite conservative part of the world.
I only see such things in the media. Thankfully mostly only on the internet. Ads, movies , posters things like that brainwash the masses.
Things like razor ads where they portray every manly men a rapist and other controversial things like that.
At least I haven't experienced this at scool but I doubt that future generations wont experience it.

 

You can't denie that men are raised more feminine today tho. That's why all these evil Marxist ideas like socialism and communism are on the rise. That's why logical thinking is on the decline and emotional thinking on the rise. We are on the same path as all empires before. The Roman empire fell for the same reasons the West is going to fail. Men aren't men anymore.

 

You aren't from the USA, or if you are then you probably aren't from a major city.

 

I agree with StarRider. Incel is a made up political boogeyman.

But, if you take it seriously, the funny thing is that it's actually in women's best interest to have sex with incels because by doing that they would cease to be incels. Problem solved for everyone.

 

Well its made up in the sense of it's not a great deal. Noone cares. Sure they commit a couple crime which is terrible, but in the big picture they are rather insignificant.
They do exists though. Some men and woman get frustrated because they can't get sex and they commit terrible things because of this.

However the point that I'm writing is this:
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But, if you take it seriously, the funny thing is that it's actually in women's best interest to have sex with incels because by doing that they would cease to be incels. Problem solved for everyone."
NO why would someone want to have sex with someone absolutelly terrible? Just so the other person can state that he/she had sex once?

Would you like to have sex with a woman who is deeply depressed most likely having multiple mental disorders, being absolutelly antisocial, is terribly slovenly etc?
What about incel gay guys? Will you have sex with them too?

The point is, people should start to learn how to take care about themselves and combat stress. Society doesn't owe you a sexual partner. Society doesn't owe you many things people demand.

Plus, I'm tired that everyone tries to imply that sex should be in the middle of everyones life.
Your state of happiness shouldn't be an indicator on how often you have sex. Whether or not you have sex in your life you always should have other things to care about.
I mean, the fact that you are an incel is not pathetic. Some people are born ugly. Some people are born having handicaps at finding a mate.
Some people can't do anything to find a mate its not their fault.
However your lack of happiness and lack of self control is your fault.
If you can't find things in life that make you happy thats pathetic.
Also if your whole existance is centered around sex is also pathetic.

 

Yeah nowadays, and I can see this even in myself, sex is made to be this huge life changing experience and if you can't get it OR don't voluntarily want it, you're out cast loser. Casual sex is toxic to a society. It has destroyed long term relationships.

 

You just stated the actual problem: mental disorders. 'Incel' is the made up term, while mental disorders is not. People who are chemically imbalanced because of mental disease need to see a doctor. People are way too scared of each other nowadays, women, especially, are scared of men, for example no man crosses the street to avoid a woman that he's intimidated by, but women avoid men, that's bad for people's psychology, but you don't get this point of view in the media because of feminist culture.

Too stupid. All gay guys are incels with straight guys. Here's what you need to notice: no one ever talks about incel gay guys, or incel women, only incel straight men. That's politics.

The other stuff you said is super arrogant. It is society's responsibility to create optimal living conditions for the people living in it. Society/culture is a technology, and it's in everyone's interest to optimize beneficial technologies while minimizing harmful technologies like atomic bombs, or pro masturbation ideologies. A lot of the problems we see in society are by design, almost everyone here started masturbating because they were not warned, that is a flaw in the design of the culture we live. If we lived in a totally fair society, where everyone has access to the same resources, was born and raised with exactly the same education and opportunities, with no sabotaging, then you would have an argument. And we already have done an experiment that proves this is true, because all of us would be a lot happier if we never masturbated in the first place, but the fucked up culture didn't warn us like it should have.

It has also destroyed casual sex.

 

Surely not!

 

Lol, I almost liked your response because I thought you were replying that you didn't live in the USA.
Then it's society's responsibility to create unoptimal living conditions so then only the strong can survive like nature intended as genetics progresses forward to creating the ultimate being. <sarcasm>

You think you are strong but you are not with your 0 days. Since genetics is only a potentiality that gets activated by societal/environmental pressures, it's actually in societies best interest to create the optimal conditions for revealing everyone's genetic potential, in effect maximizing everyone's talent, then, and only then can proper judgement take place.

For example, you wouldn't even do what you are suggesting with plants, so you actually respect plants more than people, not even peta thinks like that. Say for example you have two seeds, and one of these seeds has the potential to yield more fruit, yes, but not it you plant it in inferior soil, then give it dirty water, and poor salt on it.

 

Every term is made up. Incel is made up aswell. It means people who wants to have sex, but can't have sex. Doesn't state the reasoning.
Since these people exist (just watch nofap if you need proof) The term incel is totally valid.
Mental illnesses are more than chemical imbalances. Unfortunatelly most mental illnesses cannot be cured. Some of them cannot even be softened. You are lucky if you are diagnosed right. Also some illnesses happen after a shocking event or events. It's definitelly not a "take this pill and go home" type of problem.
Sure thing, people who need help should see professsionals.

I don't think people are scared of eachother more nowdays compared to older times. The world gets ever more connected, you can call help whenever you feel like. People are insanely open about their private lives. Parties and social events are as casual as it gets.
Sure thing woman are afraid of strangers who cares? They always were! And they should be! Doesn't mean you can't get to know strangers it only means that the first few meets will be less private.

I don't care about "because of feminists" bullcrap. Woman are insanely open for anything nowdays. I doubt I lost any opportunities at meeting with woman. Other posts claim the exact opposite.

Doesn't answer my question. The original post said, that its womans interest to sleep with undesirable men.
So is it your interest to satisfy undisirable woman or gays?

Actually if you google "incel" you will find statistics for both genders.
Also yeah there may be politics behind those news sites.
But does this fact change your life at the tinyest bit? I mean who cares? Like I said it's not written on your forehead that you can't have sex. Thus if you don't whine about it, you won't get judged. On the other side, if you whine about being unable to have sex, noone will ask if you want to F guys or girls. Noone cares.
Yeah media may show whiney sex driven lunatics who happen to be straight and male. There are maybe dangerous incel woman out there whom the media doesn't cover. It doesn't conserns you until you are not one of them. And when you are, you have more urgent problems than someone shittalking about you behind your back.

Absolutelly not. And will never happen.
There are different interest groups inside a society, you cannot satisfy all of their interests.
But let's be real. Even if a theoretical society you described could be existing, it won't happen in our lifetimes.
So if you can't accept todays rules of society you will suffer the consequences. Sure you can whine all you want, but that wont change your life for the better.

Its your choice though to adapt, or keep whining about "fucked up culture".

 

You havent heard about Charles Darwin did you?

Actually we are absolutelly cruel to the plants (and animals) to be honest.

"For example, you wouldn't even do what you are suggesting with plants, so you actually respect plants more than people, not even peta thinks like that. Say for example you have two seeds, and one of these seeds has the potential to yield more fruit, yes, but not it you plant it in inferior soil, then give it dirty water, and poor salt on it"

We only keep the one seed that has the potential to yield more fruit. We absolutelly don't care about the others. We don't use social constructs on plants.
It may not even the interest of plants to gain properties that are more beneficial for humans. After all, if humans were gone most likely plants that humans planted will change or die out.
We are manipulating their evolution to match our needs.

"You think you are strong but you are not with your 0 days. Since genetics is only a potentiality that gets activated by societal/environmental pressures, it's actually in societies best interest to create the optimal conditions for revealing everyone's genetic potential, in effect maximizing everyone's talent, then, and only then can proper judgement take place."

Its noones interest to help you achieve better self control. And absolutelly noone will think about change their rutines in order to help a stranger not masturbate for a longer period of time.
Society won't help you on nofap and it shouldn't be.
Its about your self control, you can't learn self control if someone keeps naging you.
Doesn't mean he is weak. You don't know how deep he is coming from. You also don't know how successful he will become.

 

They are not made up. Words are symbols for things or experiences, basically pieces of reality. And here is where you are making a mistake, because as soon as you read those words you came up with some fake argument like "unicorns aren't real" but now you can't use that waste of time fake argument because I called you on it before you made it. A word is just a sign post that points to a thing, it's a label, and it's only an authentic word if it points to something, whether that is in the world or in someone's head.

Words of a feminist.

An incel is a person defined as being repulsive because they are an incel, but if they are not an incel, cured of it, then they become a normal productive member of society and attractive.
A straight man is not interested in having sex with an ugly man or a handsome man. That's an idiotic question. If you say something this stupid, what other obvious things are you misunderstanding? All gay men are incels to straight men, but all gay men aren't called incels, but they should be, by the very definition. Let me make this point very clear for your foolish mind: straight men have nothing to gain from other men being handsome.
The "reasoning" with incels is that they are like frog princes, ugly until you kiss them, or in this case have sex with them. If I could make a woman magically become sexually desirable just by having sex with her then I would, because it is in my interest, as a straight man, for there to be as many attractive women as possible. But it doesn't work that way, so I'm mocking the concept of incels which is not the same as calling someone unattractive. The word 'unattractive' isn't political.

It already happens just in localized places. That's why society has those rules which you just mentioned in your argument. And sabotage by society/culture is real that's why we are on this forum in the first place, because a society that could have warned us chose not to. Then here you are actually defending that. Stockholm syndrome.
A serious question is why do you want to give some people advantages but give other people disadvantages arbitrarily?

 

Your argument is that we can't know someone's potential until it is tested. Exactly.

Exactly, because society, contemporary culture, is what taught us it is okay to fap.

 

You know I absolutelly not follow any organisation of modern feminism. Those are usually bullcrap.
But I am highly dissapointed that the word "feminism" is a curse word now (especially with unsuccessful men).
Since originally it doesn't mean much, other than females should have the same rights as males. Thats it. (And I can live with that, I have nothing against having female classmates or colleges)

NO!
Noone stated that incels are repulsive. The only statement is that they want to have sex but couldn't.
They may have different kind of problems, with different kind of solutions. Pity sex wont change anyone. And DEFINITELLY wont "cure" anyone. Just because someone agrees to have sex with you, you wont become a better person.
"then they become a normal productive member of society and attractive." How the f do you even think that works?
Yes as a heterosexual guy I don't want to have sex with a guy, and? I don't want to have sex with an ugly woman either. And woman are the same feeling creatures as you , have the right to choose whom they don't want to have sex with.

"The "reasoning" with incels is that they are like frog princes, ugly until you kiss them, or in this case have sex with them. If I could make a woman magically become sexually desirable just by having sex with her then I would, because it is in my interest, as a straight man, for there to be as many attractive women as possible."

Yeah I see you are the kind of desperate guy who would basically fuck anything that breathes. Also thinks that sex is magic and changes people. Pathetic.
No. If you can't change yourself for the better for years, just because someone pity fucks you, you will be the same depressed shit afterwards.

"But it doesn't work that way, so I'm mocking the concept of incels which is not the same as calling someone unattractive. The word 'unattractive' isn't political."
Incel is not a political word. Yes it may been invented for political reasons, the definition doesn't state anything political. Doesn't state male, doesn't state straight, It only states that you are involuntary celebate. Meaning no matter how hard you try to have sex, you can't. If someone pity fucks you, then leaves you are in the same group. You havent changed your personality, your lifestyle your looks. Your attitude.

I'm not defending anything. The thing you are talking about is non existent.
"A serious question is why do you want to give some people advantages but give other people disadvantages arbitrarily?"
Whom am I giving advantages exactly?

 

No. The argument is, that once you turn out to be worthless, you are thrown away. Noone cares about you. It's noone's interest to plant an apple tree that produces small bitter apples. Society doesn't owe you anything.
Also, other apple trees are kept because selfish needs.
Not because I want the best of the apple tree species.

Guess what. For 99% of people it absolutelly is. They can reach happiness with masturbating in their lives. They become successful, have familes etc.
And in the end of the day none of them will have a poorer life just because they choose to masturbate.

However, some people find it harmful. Like us. Which is perfectly okay, just don't masturbate then! It was you who started it. I doubt that eventually you wouldn't have tried it if someone was telling you "there is a slight chance that things go wrong".
Its your responsibility to get rid of it if you feel like its harmful. Its not societys fault that you beat your meat. You can try to act always as the victim, but that won't help you anywhere in your life. Its easy to whine about society not warning you. Does it help you overcome your addiction? No.
Do you think that people where they were thought masturbation is bad don't start to masturbate? See some religious scools I doubt all of them are nofappers. (And guess what most of them turn out to be a happy adult)

 

You just said 99% of people are happy and successful. Clueless.
Also don't assume that you know what I would do in alternate realities you arrogant punk.

Can you show that men in all time periods masturbated at the same percentage that they do today. It's safe to assume that it's higher now than ever.

 

I'll point out only two things because you're boring.

We already have that so we don't need feminism. I wrote "It is society's responsibility to create optimal living conditions for the people living in it." You said "Absolutelly not. And will never happen." This is a contradiction, as it would mean society does not owe women anything - but this isn't what you think - contradiction doesn't make you smart of powerful. The fact that you even mention "female classmates" is ridiculous, what century is this?

Again you: "deeply depressed most likely having multiple mental disorders, being absolutelly antisocial, is terribly slovenly etc?"

 

Yeah thanks for deliberatelly misunderstanding and misusing what I said idiot!
"You just said 99% of people are happy and successful. Clueless."
No I said.
"For 99% of people it absolutelly is. They can reach happiness with masturbating in their lives."
They CAN reach happiness with masturbating in their lives. Meaning they have the possibility to reach happiness without stopping masturbation. Start asking your friends if they think their main problem in life is that they beat their meat. They will tell you 100 problems in their lives but they wont state that quitting masturbation will solve anything for them. And guess what! It won't solve anything for you! Its a trick! It tricks you into develop more useful habits and socialize more.
Its not me saying its okay, its doctor psyhologists and urologists saying its okay. Doesn't mean everyone must do it, it just means your crusade against "evil sociaty tricking men to masturbate" is lunatic.

Oh no! Men are masturbating more today than ever! (Show data jerk) Also, why men? Why is it only bad when men do it? What makes it good for everyone except for you?

 

"We already have that so we don't need feminism." No, some developed countries have that and the other half of the word has not, so we need it. Also, If the feminist organisations only claimed what it originally meant there would be no problem with that.


"It is society's responsibility to create optimal living conditions for the people living in it." You said "Absolutelly not. And will never happen." This is a contradiction"

Since "society" is not a single person, its not god that could grant you things. Society containt a bunch of interest groups. For example modern feminists. Modern feminists claim a bunch of idiotic things "mansplaining" meaning men should shut up. Or "manspreading" meaning men should take up less space. Etc. It is not in the interest of this group that I feel satisfied with my life. It doesn't even care if their inventions hurt me.
And society contains more tousend groups like this. Some try to help me and some doesn't. If groups that are beneficial grow stronger more things I do will be accepted. For example if nofap as a group grew stronger people would accept not masturbating, and there reactions won't be like "this is how you get prostate cancer". But society as a whole will NEVER support ANYONE. There will be still groups that hate me. And the members of those groups are hated by other groups.

You just stated we no longer need feminism. So where is the "society" standing up for feminists as individuals when parts of society dislikes a group?
So waiting for society for standing up for every individual will never happen. And since nofappers are a tiny group we most likely will not be recognised by the vast majority of people.
You can't change that, because like I said, most people doesn't want to stop masturbation. Exit your bubble.
What it is, is a self help forum. You have to help YOURSELF. You cannot wait for society or blame others for your addiction.

"The fact that you even mention "female classmates" is ridiculous, what century is this?"

Current year. There are many countries where female classmates are impossible. (Heck there are some religious scools in modern countries where its not allowed. (actually until females can get the same education as males I don't care if they go to the same classroom or not))

But thats irrelevant. I wanted to state that feminism originally covered problems like this. And by definition feminism means this.
Its a shame, that due to modern feminism (where sexist ideas come from) the original meaning is lost. And feminism became a curse word. (Whereas some years before it was a totally acceptable idea). And that we should make a difference between modern and original feminism.

You don't know what most likely means don't you?
Also you are changing up cause and effect.
Cause is "being depressed , having mental disorders being antisocial being terrivly slovenly etc."
You may have one of those causes or have other causes. (Heck you may just be terribly ugly)

Effect is that you are involuntary celebate. Thus you cannot say if you are an incel you are surely depressed. Or surely repulsive.
What you can say is if you are repulsive or deeply depressed or etc you will be an incel. Since after a threshold people will not wanting to befriend you.

I only stated that knowing that you are an incel, you are most likely having one (or more) of the most common reasons or causes of being an incel. Its not 100% garanteed though you may have other less common reasons to be an incel.

Whatever the cause is, it will not go away by having sex. That was my original statement. Just because someone starts to have pity sex with you you wont change your personality and habits.
Also, since huge percentage of woman are finding other (more deserving) mates its definitelly not their interest to have pity sex with someone pathetic.
You may state that incel woman should have pity sex with incel men. First of all its their choice, so they should if they decide to.(And since the guy is an incel, meaning noone not even incel woman want to have sex with him we know the answer)
Second of all, I doubt that you want to have sex with incel woman for the same reason. (They wouldn't be incels if someone would find them desirable)