Religion vs. Atheism in regards to recovey

Welcome
You don't need a particular faith to beat this addiction , i wish you good luck

 

I am. I'm sure that there a ton of others you just can't see. You can't preach atheism without arguing against religion (validity etc.) and this forum isn't a place for debate about religion.

I'm sure there is a ton of secular content on the forum for you (be careful of pseudoscience tho)

 

Religion can help with recovery, as well as in case of some people it actually makes the situation way worse. So idk... If I had the chance to live it all over again, I would go with the atheist's way cuz that road is less bumpier over time.

 

I had exactly the same experience as you with SAA. I tried for months to make it stick but I could never get it to work. I finally came to realize that addiction does not have a one-size-fits-all solution. That is, although SAA worked for some people, the fact that it made no sense to me is OK. I read Rational Recovery by Jack Trimpey. He discusses AA at length and all of its problems. His explanations make way more sense to me and that also is OK.

 

I don't believe in God, wouldn't necessarily describe myself as an atheist though, just a non-believer. The thing I found when I looked into the SAA and other 12 steps approaches was that a lot of focus is put on admitting that you are powerless over your addiction and effectively need to give yourself to a higher power for things to get better.

My philosophy is the complete opposite. I think that the power fully resides in the hands of the addict when it comes to recovery and that the best thing you can do is empower yourself to beat this addiction. Each time you feel weak or tempted remember that you are the one in control of your actions, not your addiction or anyone else.

It's not always an easy decision to make but the more positive decisions you make the stronger you get.

 

Well i am legally a religious person but honestly i also think myself as an atheist; i just never told my parents because i know they are gonna freak out.

you are completely right about this part, That's what i hate about religion, you can simply put all your troubles onto someone who may or may not exist and hope everything's gonna be fine.I mean we should observe ourself and the eliminate the negative and damaging behaviors by focusing and disciplining our brain.

That's the only way i think.

Anyways, instead of god i believe that mother earth and universe is spiritual and when i am in a position when i need external power i close my eyes and meditate with a thought that i am absorbing power from earth to inscrese my willpower.

Hope that helps !! Good Luck bro

 

wdym by legally religious

 

People believe in God for specific reasons like having a system of life to live by, and I don't want to talk to you about God, but I want to help you so you can also join an atheist nofap group.
But I think that you're an agnostic because you don't care to talk about religion and don't want to get in conversations about it so here's a group for both


https://forum.nofap.com/index.php?groups/atheist-and-agnostic-fapstronauts.29/forums

 

Science and Spiritual Pratices by Rupert Sheldrake and you couls change your mind about Faith. Not my problem if you considering yourself Atheist but it really help with the recovery. Since i started NoFap now i am less naive (atheist) and more spiritual i was just like you with my entire left-brain emisphere closed to new things, that does not mean that i am praying all day and go in churches but use Sokratis method work.
I could agree in saying that religions are the opium of the people but science agnosticism is a cult too and you have faith on it with all its flaws. They also have a teology and had their own religious dress for recognize them, a white coat.

 

Woah. You should respect other's beliefs.

What is science agnosticism?

 

I said: Not my problem if you considering yourself Atheist, honestly i'm pretty happy that you think to have find your own truths, but i like to follow Sokratis rule. As also Nietzsche said, there is nothing objective, everyone have is own truth.

Science Agnosticis from my definition is the attempt to understand and study the universe in a materialistic way, you cannot explain the existence without "materialistic Philosophy", or, for example, an agnostic would say: "i will belive in god only if science will demonstrate it" . In part we can say that Science is their God. No spirituality, just materialism.

Huxley was the first of the agnostics, and he also promote Darwinism (an ideology) arround the world, is a coincidence that he was a Eugenics, just like Darwi n (you can read it in the last pages of origins of the man). Also the Distopic book "brave new world" by the mephew of Huxley show us where this ideology can bring us.

Not a problem if you want to belive on what do you belive! I am actially doing it too.

 

whats sokratis rule

 

These are just some rambling tips I can think of. I do think they may help. Wish you well. You got this!

• Harnessing an awareness of triggers. This would require a good deal of knowing yourself and tracking/journaling. What time do you often have urges? In which environments do the urges come? Are you overworking? Are you lacking sleep? Is your diet filled with empty carbs? What kind of brain food diet (social media, news, etc.) are you on? Stuff like that... Then you could start to develop necessary precautions for yourself.
• I read an article that advises people to treat pornography consumption as "junk food." It's empty and leaves us feeling flat or worse off after.
• Don't work yourself up in a frenzy when urges come. Maybe carry around a notebook, act like you are your own detective psychologist. Write everything that just happened that may be relevant to the onset of urges you are experiencing.
• Keep tinkering. Think back to the times of your biggest streaks? Has something changed from then? What? How can you incorporate what was lost back into your lifestyle?
• Free-write, journal, recite positive affirmations in night or morning, or anything helpful for you.
• Keep coming around here or similar sites with people who are going through this with you. Come around every day if possible. Give and receive updates, support, encouragement, advice.

 

Really happy that you said Esoterism instead of occultism, but sadly i defeated Pornography thinki ng Philosophy (that actually is the better way for defeat pornography)and Quantum Physic, tarots cards are just a way that you use for belittle people, not the thesis. This is the imperative.

 

How did you use Quantam Physics? Is learning/studying a good way to distract from urges?

 

Yep all these help you a lot, since you quit your idea that existence is just for reproduction, eat, sleep, survive, etc...but there is somesome from "classic physics" that have writed beautiful books, like Fritjof Capra that writed the "Tao of physics".
Definitly yes all these help a lot from distract myself from Porneia. Anyway i Think this Triad: Sheldrake, Bohm and Capra will be always with me for the rest of this life.

Anyway i don't use it, i'm ju st interested, learn is important.