People here are discouraging me !!

You are having withdrawal symptoms after 135 days also?? Those things you mentioned looks concerning, see some good doctors.... Not everything can be fixed by NoFap or abstaining from PMO. Maybe those people are right in this matter. You should be able to see some good amount of change after 90 days.... If not then either you are doing something wrong or you are having some other problem like with diet or something which a doctor can tell better.

 

You, sir, are clearly on the right path. 135 days is something and I'm sure after some time you will start feeling better and better about this. Don't lose hope, we are all in this together and we support each other. Don't look too much on these negative topics, there are also some bright posts that you will change your mind about this.

NoFap is not healing all these symptoms at once. It makes you feel better, not immediately, but small results will be visible in time. Of course, from time to time you will experience negative symptoms because this is life, but after a long time you will see great progress. Some people see it after 1 month, others after 1 year and so on. You need to be patient and use your time doing other stuff like investing in yourself.

Hope my answer will help you.

 

This is normal. Those symptoms can appear all the time. I gave up smoking 5 years ago and I still have these symptoms from time to time. You just have to accept this and move forward. But yeah, checking a doctor is also a great idea if you feel it's too much.

 

Hey there,

I FEEL like i have to answer you. But beware, I FEEL marks, that my answer is my subjective viewpoint. I do not know if you knew that anyways, but i always try to relativise what i am saying, in opposition to those people who just claim to speak the truth. What i say may be false.

To be sure that you are diagnosing yourself "right":

-at first, it is a very bad idea, that you diagnose yourself. Diagnoses should only be made by professionals. In the internet times, people google their symptoms, often leads to increasing symptoms; which has to do with the phenomenon of hypochondriasis. See here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypochondriasis

A lot of fellas here want to believe in the nofap-journey. But all the reports surrounding nofap-journeys produce more or less legends and myths. You gotta be careful with those. For example, one cannot simply claim, that masturbation is harming you. There is no empirical evidence for that. But that PORN USE is harmful, that can be supported by evidence. Some go a little further, cause they experienced, that withdrawal from masturbation helps them in some way. Good. But they cant say that it is harmful in general, still they do it. You can prove to yourself, that it feels better, yes, but to proove it to others, they must either try it themselves or evidence must be found. Some things are objectively true, others arent, they are just subjective experience. So dont believe everything that is said here, and start to question people intention. Do they want to help you, or defend their new-found truth?

Just because two things occur at the same time, doenst mean, that one is the reason for the other. Thats the difference between causality and correlation. Very actual example: A white man says a racist thing. What we say: He is racist, CAUSE he is white (causality). In this we suggest that being white is the precondition for him being a racist. But the only thing, one can say for sure, that there is a man, and he is two things: a racist and a white man. (correlation)
What i want to say: just because those symptoms occur at the time you started your journey, they arent necessarily linked to the streak. Maybe you infected yourself with a virus, or you are depressed (even though you are on a streak), in this case, the one thing hasnt anything to do with the other.
My advice: if those symptoms wont leave you, dont trust the nextbest freak on a porn addict forum (sorry guys, i read a lot of nonsense here), even though they may know a lot, but go to a doctor who studied his knowledge for years! This is not a joke! If you are feeling repeatedly bad, dont joke with your mental or physical health (you might still keep up your streak and not tell the doctor if you dont want to. It still might be interesting to his diagnosis and he cant stop you from going on with the journey!!).

Maybe they wanted to say: you are wasting your time, if you are waiting for nofap to cure your sickness, that is not linked to nofap, and maybe they are right. BUT: they could be right, they just want you to go to a doctor and trust him, not nofap, with the healing, and STILL go on on your streak...

 

How are the other health related components of your life? You make it almost sound like dimensia or Parkinson's, which is scary. Do you eat well, abstain from drugs, get light exercise?

 

I'm feeling better since I've started this. Still got a lot of struggles, because I've started NoFap in December 2016, but with a lot of relapses. My best streak was almost 9 months and it felt great. In that period I was very ambitious. Lost 15kg, got a certification for work, change my job. I had a lot of progress, but out of nowhere I relapsed and things got bad again.

But I still have a lot to do. Right now, I'm doing my best to take my mind of some hot girls that made have some dirty thoughts. It's not easy at all, but I can't complain all the time when all I do is toxic.

 

I am totally agreeing with your point that those symptoms can come time to time but having a problem where you can't control hand and legs and feeling weakness in heart or chest is very highly concerning. And most of the people here, including me, are no doctors and some diseases are treatable in earlier phases so I advised to see doctor. For many, smoking leads to cancer and I have seen some people smoking crazy and living 100+ years. So it is what it is.

 

For the brain to heal it can need a bit of extra support rather than just taking away the negative stimulus, sometimes. It's not like that for everybody, but for some of us, just quitting fapping doesn't quite lead to healing. Or it isn't very fast.

How's your diet -- much processed stuff, sugar? Any possible food sensitivities? What's your caffeine intake like? Alcohol intake? Drugs including cannabis? Do you use fish oils or any other supplements?

What's your media diet like?

Stress level?

Could be lots of things to troubleshoot to make things better. You never know. Don't quit! I would never say that you are wasting your time with nofap, but sometimes it is just one piece of a larger puzzle.

 

My own experience has been mixed, but likely for mixed reasons as well. As you'll see from my counter, I've been months without an "O", not even having had a WD. I've experienced insomnia, fatigue, lack of brain energy (my work has been pretty mentally challenging, though), etc. However, I've noticed at least two positives lately: 1) I'm no longer feeling addicted, as in I can go through my day without constantly thinking about, craving, or wishing to have sex; and 2) I've noticed that I have decent memorization skill, almost like I had twenty years ago. But the fatigue in my case may well be on account of a vitamin B12 deficiency. I need to work on that, and have now come to the point that I think I can eat some eggs without becoming tempted above my ability to withstand the temptation. (Eggs definitely increase desire for me--if only I didn't need B12!) I'm a vegetarian, so milk or eggs are the only sources of B12 in my diet, and deficiency can produce the symptoms I'm experiencing.

It is likely that for others as well it is difficult to limit all the variables down to one, and pin everything on having been sexually abstinent. It is also likely that those who experience greater levels of success and satisfaction from their "reboot" will spend less time here looking for answers and/or answering others' questions. I would expect this site to suffer from some of the same phenomenon present in consumer reviews: the complaints will be disproportionately higher than the praises as compared to actual customer satisfaction rates. In saying this, by no means would I invalidate the experiences of anyone posting--I'm sure they speak eloquently to their own situations. But in terms of making assumptions based on the numbers of those expressing dissatisfaction, I suggest a little caution.

 

Hi man,
I feel what you have mentioned. I have got a similar symptoms, and really very scary ones, and whenever I ask someone here they say "it's in your mind" or "it's not from nofap". Actually many say that because they still have not hit the rock bottom. A week ago I reached 70 days streak and I had got a lot of pain in testis and bladder and did a number of tests. all were clear. I visited doctors and they said I have nothing. Also panic attacks came often causing high BP and heart palpitations. It's huge mess. Also feeling difficulty in moving one's arms and legs as well as weak legs, I felt those in last ten days couple of times but didn't feel after.

When I relapsed such pain didn't come, but of course other type of the "relapse fatigue". But stay optimistic, if your tests are all clear then these are all withdrawal symptoms and repeated symptoms. they vary from a person to another, when you make a deep research you can find keys which explain your situation that to me were always about PMO addiction. Also take care of health cultivation, have a healthy meal, sleep well, don't stress yourself, exercise and take multivitamins. You could have a need of vitamins, I found I have insufficient vitamin D resource (consult a doctor or take a safe multivitamin supplement). Stay optimistic and keep going And do ypur best not to edge, it's the main source for pain

 

I have to agree with you here.

There's so many variables for why someone could be feeling shit. I do think that NoFap can also be a catalyst for the bad as well as the good. This is another opinion on the process but it has felt to me like it intensifies EVERYTHING. And if the rest of your life - diet, exercise, mental health, spiritual health - isn't in check, you will feel it even more than before.

I could also go into discussions of sexual energy and how it feels like perhaps people aren't doing things that help spread the energy - and in effect NoFap is actually making this energy too congested - but that's a long ass discussion and not for everyone.

Personally OP, if you're reading this, I would recommend ejaculating one time. Only once. Without porn, without fantasy if you can help it. Do it only to reset your system. And if you start to feel better - you'll know that perhaps NoFap isn't the answer. Pay attention here though. I'm not saying that you should go fap 5 times a week or whatever you did beforehand. But bring it to a natural level of our ancestors. We can guess it was maybe once a week or a month etc.

If you don't feel any difference, well then perhaps you can say that it's not NoFap that is causing the issues and look elsewhere.

Check out this video

Towards the end he discusses how in Chinese Medicine and Taoism they thought there was a perfect cycle for each mans ejaculatory cycle, and that it's generally between 14 days and a month. Different for everyone and your circumstances. I personally heed the advice of Chinese Medicine and Taosim in this area because they were some of the first traditions to promote practices of retaining semen, and the Taoists in particular were like the scientists of their time. Obviously they didn't do double-blind placebo tests, but many masters devoted their lives to understanding the body, nature, the mind and our energy systems.

Best of luck, and I hope your health and energy levels improve.

 

Stay on course! You will get better with time!
I am going to speak from my own experience and my own non-conventional views on health (Disclaimer: this is not a professional medical advice )

No one is the same! And don't think that any timelines out there apply for everyone.
For example:
-Is someone who has been trying for a while to reach a 100 days, let's say making streaks of 20s for several times before reaching the 100 the same as someone who reached 100 from the first time?
-Is someone who was doing PM every day the same as one who did it 3 times a week?
-Is someone who spent one hour a day on P the same as someone who did 3 hours but only on the weekend?
-Is someone who had real sex the same as someone who didn't?
-Is someone who is healthy and fit the same as someone who is overweight?

We are not robots, things vary, age and diet vary. Do not expect clear dates. But IMO your body is doing a great job at the moment detoxifying itself.
Our body is a whole unit, psychology plays a big part in health and well being. (It's not technically medicine but I honestly believe there is a lot of truth in it, please google German new medicine). What appears as a diseases is actually the body healing itself.

If you have a lot of toxins in your body, it is possible your body is trying to get rid of them. It is also possible that when you reduced your addiction you started to feel existing problems that were masked.
Before seeing any doctors I suggest you first try to improve your diet (stay away as much as possible from manufactured things and eat as fresh as possible) and to try to meditate and exercise as much as you can even if it meant light yoga. and give it more time to see how it goes.

On my first long streak (about 10 months) I think symptoms didn't completely go away until 6 months. But I don't think they were as sever as yours as I was able to exercise.
The body is a complicated thing, think of PM as one toxins in your body that you are getting rid of. Emotional package is another. Any soda drinks, sweets, white flour, air pollution, microwave radiation, etc.. are other toxins By doing no PMO you are giving your body a chance to heal.

Stay on course. You will get your health back and IMO try avoiding any prescription drugs unless absolutely necessary (they might mask out symptoms but the body might see them as toxins that they later need to get rid of as well).

 

That's amazing, well done.

How do you know that they are all "withdrawal symptoms"? Some sound like it (e.g. fatigue, flatline, anxiety) but some do not (e.g. blood pressure, loss of limb control).

This is an internet forum not a clinic. There are some wise people here and some stupid nutters. In fact the people I find wise might be the people you find unhelpful and vice versa. If you spend time on an internet forum you will need to develop your own critical faculties to be able to sort the wheat from the chaff

Great, at least some people are being honest with you.

Why wasting your time? What is your goal? If your goal is to regain control of your legs then yes, NoFap sounds like a waste of time. If your goal is to rid your life of the negative effects of porn then NoFap is a great idea. You seem to want us to do your thinking for you. It does not work that way.

I'm on Day 1,405 without porn and 1,396 without masturbation. I still sometimes get tempted, but I am well versed in how to resist that. I do sometimes feel anxious, but who doesn't?, and sometimes I have difficulty sleeping but I suspect that is down to stress from work. I still have full control of my limbs but I never lost that and I doubt it is anything to do with NoFap.

• Think for yourself.
  
• Do research.
  
• Weigh up what people tell you.
  
• Experiment.

Which symptoms do you think will be cured by marriage? Blood pressure, acne?

Fine in what sense? Why are you doing this?

Loads of them, but I suspect they are from people who had a firmer grasp on why they were doing NoFap and what they wanted to fix.

 

Those are the points I also wanted to put but wasn't able to. You nicely did it.

 

Bro, don't be dis-encouraged.
I am sitting in a sexual flatline since day 1 for approximately 630 days today, am I feeling desperate? am I feeling hopeless? you bet.
However, I still enjoy this current state of myself a little more than myself in the old days.
I was selfish, shy, afraid to speak in public, felt uncomfortable even when barber cuts my hair, simply because that distance made me felt insecure and nervous.
Only thing I care back then was the crave for Porn, crave to be at home alone.
Right now, none of those above matters to me, I became a calm person who dare to challenge my manager, express myself in public, making sharp decision. I've been so much better all round.
Just hoping one day I would regain the ability to be sexually aroused again...

 

Okay, seems linking them is not too bad an idea, especially if you have seen doctors and they found nothing.

In that case, i am taking back what i said!

But still, then i wonder why anyone would DISCOURAGE you on top of that?! I never had negative symptoms on a streak, so i cant help you there, i am wishing you all the best, stay strong! Its NEVER a bad idea to try to get in charge of your life and to change things!

 

If you were severe and a long time pmo user, 135 days is a joke from withdrawals. If you're not sure, go check a doctor. I've had all the symptoms mentioned in the book even after 16 months hardmode straight and a couple 60 days streak following and I'm still having PAWS. However I make some progress compare to my initial state.