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Anti-Masturbation in the 1800s

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by mr.incognito, Jul 28, 2020.

  1. mr.incognito

    mr.incognito Fapstronaut

    No. The earliest book mentioned is one called Onania which came out sometime in the 1700s. I also want to just mention again that while this is an interesting book that contains some impressive observations, it's also very old and has a lot of assumptions that have since been proven untrue. I actually stopped reading the book about halfway in because it's just a lot of case studies that aren't relevant to contemporary times, the conclusions aren't true; but, early in the book there is a lot of interesting observations.

    I also want to add that I'm not against sexuality. I think sex before getting married is natural and can be done right. But I am against masturbation, porn, and sex addiction. It could be that having sex only about 1 day out of the month, or within a few days around the time of a woman's ovulation, may be the way to go.

    I think people are having less sex than ever now. It's mostly just fapping for men, and fantasizing to fan fiction for women.
     
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  2. Psalm27:1my light

    Psalm27:1my light Fapstronaut

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    My libido has basically disappeared with menopause but I still like sex several times a week. It’s a one more way to connect. I can’t imagine once a month. Especially given the week before my period and the week after my drive was through the roof! That’s part of my bitterness towards my husband and his porn addiction, I refused to masturbate because I felt it was wrong in my marriage, so I was very sexually frustrated for years. I learned other ways to cope . I just think once a month is really low. Lol
     
  3. mr.incognito

    mr.incognito Fapstronaut

    I'm trying to determine the optimum amount of times, in general, for men to ejaculate. I don't know how often is best. I didn't recommend once a month, I gave that as one possibility, but it would still be better than never, or having to be married to a fapper - I would never choose fapping over real sex, or anything else now that I know better. Women want to have sex less often then men and with fewer men, while men want to have sex year round and with many women and there is no fluctuation with the month or season, although there is a drop in libido as we get older. Also most men don't have sex "to connect", that's something women do, but sex is physical communication and you can talk etc. while doing it.

    I'm also specifically talking about ejaculation, since it takes energy from a man, which is why no male Olympic athlete ejaculates via sex or masturbation before an event - because it's not a performance enhancer; therefore, the female may want sex, yet it may not be in the best interest of the male to have it even if he wants it too - as feelings are often wrong, which is why we overeat if we're not careful, or pick at scabs when we shouldn't etc; so, perhaps it could be that men in general should only ejaculate once a month, yet could still have sex without ejaculation at other times(?).

    Another thing I must mention is that your sex drive wouldn't have fluctuated like that if you had gotten pregnant - the purpose for which you felt the drive - and men - without a fetish - have no interest in having sex with a pregnant woman, as she is rendered physically unattractive by that condition, so, in that case, it could even be possible that a man should go without ejaculation for nine months or so(?). Sex and ejaculation are nice but there are other things to do, and if those things prove to be better in the long run, although appearing less attractive in the short run, it would make sense to limit the amount of times a man ejaculates - the amount being specific to each man - in favor of having the energy and focus for those other things.

    Full disclosure: I mostly blame women(although not all of them) i.e. the feminist movement for the current masturbation pandemic. If there had been some warning about masturbation in sex ed when I was a boy I wouldn't even be here, nor would many other members. Also, I, along with many other members, we are anti-masturbation, anti-porn, and anti-sex addiction, whereas this website is only anti-porn because they consider it misogynistic.

    Also your husband isn't addicted to porn he is addicted to masturbation which is a type of sex addiction.
     
  4. Psalm27:1my light

    Psalm27:1my light Fapstronaut

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    I agree with you on a couple things but others you are completely wrong. My drive was worse when I was pregnant!! Pregnancy didn’t change my husbands drive either, he was steady as clock work with his once every 2 weeks, even when pregnant. His pmo did however effect his drive for real sex. I agree he’s a sex addict and porn just enhances his compulsion to masturbate. Why in the world would you blame women for your inability to keep your hands off your dick? You can live without sex. It’s only sex addicts who can’t seem to go a week without jerking it.
     
  5. mr.incognito

    mr.incognito Fapstronaut

    I don't get why people can't understand this. mr.incognito's Origin Story: I started masturbating when I was thirteen, by accident, while doodling naked ladies in my notebook while doing homework; I was partially erect and lying on the floor, I felt it tingle for a few seconds then I ejaculated, I was hooked. From that day forward I was known as mr.incognito! Note: I have a problem with boy blaming as it is so common in our culture, it's basically an argument for child abuse. If I had started fapping as an adult with full awareness of the harmful effects of masturbation, then yes you could blame me. However, I thought masturbation was perfectly natural - I only had Catholic moral arguments but those are worthless EDIT: my Catholic upbringing made it worse because back then I thought sex before marriage was a sin, so fapping was a workaround for that- and when I looked up if I might have a problem - in my twenties - all I found from psychologists was that it's only a problem if you do it in public. When I was 28 I again considered that I might have a problem, but the only people I found online who were anti-masturbation were Christian groups, but that didn't pursued me because they only had moral arguments based on faith. Eventually in my thirties I accepted that I needed to stop, the experiment was over, conclusion: masturbation is not healthy. I found out about "nofap" on youtube, about three years ago, and thought I could quit on my own but couldn't, although I managed to reduce my habit by a significant margin, then eventually joined this website about a year ago. I have figured out the nature of my compulsion and no longer want to do it - it boils down to I don't want to watch porn because it's boring, and I don't want to masturbate because it's boring, but I only have a problem when those two things are combined, so if I get an urge - which I haven't had in a while - I just tell myself "Fine. I will watch porn but not masturbate, or I will masturbate but not watch porn", as both of those choices are so unappealing I just don't do it. People who are against masturbation are an extremely small minority, people who never masturbate are an even smaller one, to the point that the idea of never masturbating isn't even taken seriously by the main stream, it's not even considered an option, it's considered the act of someone mentally unsound.

    Feminists via the "sexual revolution" were the major group who helped normalize masturbation. The whole idea behind it was to oppose the "patriarchal social order" of the past. Not all feminists are women though, some members are men. If the "patriarchy" had remained in power, I and every other boy would have been warned against masturbation, and this website - with it's very flawed ideology - wouldn't even exist, and I wouldn't even be here. Even if I did masturbate in such a culture I would have reduced it's practice and not have gotten addicted, because culture, training, peer pressure and what have you, are real, they make a difference.

    Note. I wouldn't have sex with a pregnant woman. I've never masturbated to a pregnant woman. I doubt more men started flirting with you when you were pregnant.
     
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2020

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