mo without p is still just as bad

My honest opinion on MO on it's own without porn and artificial sexual stimulation is it likely slows down recovery, particularly when it comes to PIED.

I think a guy with PIED could likely recover two or three times quicker if they managed to cut out the entire PMO, so to the point they weren't sexually relieving them self at all unless it's with a woman.

I would estimate if I did this I would of probably 100% cured my PIED between 3-6 months.

Where as with the method I have been doing, so just focusing on cutting out all porn and artificial sexual stimulation, but still sometimes masturbating, I would likely estimate that 100% PIED recovery from this method is more close to three years.

That being said though this is quite difficult to estimate. Because I was still relapsing a lot and going in to binges a lot over the last 2 and a half years. Where as over the last few months I am getting consistent month long streaks of no porn and artificial sexual stimulation, and I can feel the difference from this. So I do feel like if my streaks were like this in the begging that I would likely of been 100% cured from PIED long ago.

But yeah in my honest opinion the only risks I can see from MO on it's own is it might potentially cause you to return to porn and artificial sexual stimulation, and it might slow down PIED recovery.

 

Pmo is totally bad devil destroying out time, mind etc etc......

 

I agree. MO is bad. Of course with P it's even more bad but not watching P while doing MO can harm you a lot and make you feel like crap.

I started doing MO 4 years ago and the last 6 months is where i've been starting to watch P more reguarly but nevertheless, the first 3 and a half years of doing MO was horrible. My energy was drained, was always tired and was always low on confidence. If you want to cut out the P, you also have to cut out the MO because that is what is keeping your addiction alive. I hope more people realise this.

 

I agree with the others. Cut MO out. The only sexual stimulation should be from a woman and that’s it. You gotta live like ppl did before porn, Internet, and other artificial simulations.

 

To see this post makes me feel so relieved.

To give you my brief story, I'm a 22 year old man who has been PMOing since 11 years old and discovered I had PIED 3-4 years ago when I got into my first relationship and could not perform at all except only after a few weeks of rewiring with her, and even then, I could only achieve weak erections and last a short amount of time. After breaking up with her I remember waking up the first couple days with morning wood however I relapsed heavily and it's been difficult trying to beat my PMO addiction. I have never gone longer than 3 weeks without at least MOing . What I can say is in recent months I have cut down on porn a lot to the point of leaving it completely in April/May but have stuck to MO as usual and have just been in an awful flatline ever since. I decided to give up PMO and even MO completely on the 4th August 2020 and feel like I am dead. Every morning I wake up depressed thinking when will this nightmare be over. I think to myself why haven't I recovered at all since I cut down on the porn so much this year.

My main questions of concern is this:

1) Is it because of MOing that I am stuck in this flatline and can't see progression? And is this normal what I am going through? (Just to note I am a healthy man physically)

2) Also based on the information I provided, how long do you think my recovery process will last?

 

No one knows how long it will last.
But you have to endure the nightmare and continue on. Don’t go back to PMO.
Endure the nightmare and know that once it’s over, you won’t PMO in future relationships. Remember that PIED feeling, you don’t want to go through that again.

 

You're 100% right @BravelyKegger, it's all in or nothing. It has to be a full commitment upfront on our part. You're either doing everything to save yourself, or you're just another guy lost in the matrix.

 

Yea mo also should be stopped