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Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by False promise, May 3, 2020.

  1. Wrong...

    90 days means something...

    It means that you had the strength and discipline to condition your body and mind to attain a certain goal, and you succeeded in getting there.

    What it doesn't mean is...

    You'd get women falling left and right for you. Your President will award you with a shiny medal for excellence. Your town would erect a statue in your name. And your friends would bow down to you and kiss your feet.
     
  2. False promise

    False promise Fapstronaut

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    Well it’s cheated you of of the best years you could have given yourself as well. But that doesn’t matter. The fact is, the past is the past, and we can’t dwell on it. Because this whole retention thing requires constant attention, and in the future. So let’s focus on eliminating it now once and for all because it’s easy to stay trapped for the entirety of ones life. If she feels resentful about that, what you can do is use it as fuel to strive to ensure that you don’t go back. So that she has no reason to resent you for your current behaviour, and eventually she becomes happy to have the new you.
     
  3. False promise

    False promise Fapstronaut

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    My thoughts are that this is a trained reaction. I certainly will not deny that sexual attraction is hard wired, but I do believe many men have conditioned themselves to respond in this manner. We have to learn to feel attraction and appreciate true beauty, without over-excitation and attachment. It’s all in our heads man. You can choose how you respond.


    It sounds like you’re on the right track my friend. My advice is to not count the days. Make the decision to never masturbate again. Truly, wholeheartedly, with every cell in your body, make the decision. Failure on this journey comes from a lack of conviction. It’s not about streaks, it’s about permanence. Because by having the goal of a temporary streak, you’re basically subtly telling yourself that you can go back to it at some point.

    In tough times, it’s more important than ever that we control ourselves. Remember that pmo is a false promise. It will never relieve your stress or solve any problems. You will become closer to Christ if you abstain, so focus on that.
     
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  4. False promise

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    It means you had temporary control over yourself. The fact that it’s a temporary goal is the reason most people never even get to 90 days in the first place. This addiction is not to be approached in that manner, just as any other addict wants to quit their vice for good. Anyone who has abused something enough to the point where they realize the damage they’ve caused and want to quit, wants to quit for good. It should be no different with this. There is no “healthy masturbation” just like there is no healthy way to smoke cigarettes. Which is the point star rider is trying to make. People are being misled on this site and it’s the reason most people fail.
     
  5. Davidphd1866

    Davidphd1866 Fapstronaut

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    VERY well said FalsePromise. And I agree completely. One point of clarification, though, it is HER with some resentment and not me. I feel stronger about my future than ever. Not sure exactly why, but it's almost as if I am not even thinking of a "streak" this time....it's like a "decision" instead of a streak.

    And, yes, her and I are both using her minor angst as a motivator.

    Thank you. It's plain to see that you are inspiring a LOT of men here. Keep up the great work.
     
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  6. Davidphd1866

    Davidphd1866 Fapstronaut

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    We have ALL been here. So don't despair. We have all despaired....so keep coming back. It's the will to keep getting back on your feet that matters most.
     
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  7. seaguy44

    seaguy44 Moderator Assistant

    yes! It's funny about how men say oh no I relapsed, but dude....

    you did WANK your dick and you lost your semen. No one is stopping you. So @MHero is correct when he said that to the other guy.

    Yes as a male myself, I get how strong the need to wank, etc. I am a man. I GET THIS, but what is important is this: If you want to retain your semen, just don't wank. That's it. No one is forcing you to do this. No one.

    Truthfully, I'd trade for a lifetime with sex with a girl over just wanking. If I have regular sex, I wouldn't even be thinking about wanking at all. I would just go to her and have sex. That's healthy. That's real connection with a female. Human connection. When you are wanking, it's just you and your hand. Having sex beats that anytime.

    Own your actions then move on. If you are struggling, maybe it's time for you to start dating and find a girl and when you are ready, have sex. We as men are meant to have sex.

    I don't think our male ancestors cavemen really did jack off. They just have sex. That's the most healthiest biological urge.

    They did actually research that when we have sex, the orgasms are much better and stronger. That alone should explain why jacking off doesn't make sense biologically.

    So find a girl. Develop human connections with your friends/family/girlfriend, etc... instead of just focusing on your own hand. Go out have a beer. Have hobbies with your friends. Life's short :) Enjoy it, but not over your hand. Get where I'm going? :)

    I'm just having an insight. I was just thinking I don't want my life to be defined by having series of orgasms done by jacking off. I want to get married and experience the deepest intimacy. But not... to the hand.... yes to a human.
     
  8. MHero

    MHero Fapstronaut

    True, I shouldn't care about days, I had times likes that when I don't care about my counter. I think that counting days is a way to track progress (can be a motivation too). I'll change this mindset "Stop counting days, @MHero stop counting days." because I'm struggling right now, I'm open to change, and fight stronger.

    You said that "Failure comes from a lack of conviction", I agree, after each relapse I swear that I'll stop forever, after a couple of days, I miss the false pleasure of watching P, "The false promise", as you call it.
    So I'm living in a loop, an inner war between my conscience and my primary brain. Yes, I fail because I don't have conviction, how can I have this conviction? My conviction die by time and even when I try to remember my goals, relapses pain, even if I told myself that I'm wasting my life, the urges still won each time.

    All, I can do is learn, change, and try again.

    YES TRUE, I'll aim for building a life styling, I'll do semen retention forever.

    Thanks, bro, I'm despaired, right now, I cry, I don't want to be a porn-addicted, I deserve more than that, this act is very low, devil and destructive, I don't want to be a low man. I want to be successful, happy, I want to be a good man.
    I wonder why I get addicted to porn? I think that most the men watched porn at least once in their life, but they didn't get addicted, why me? Never mind
    I have to fight, sometimes I wish if I'm addicted to something else rather than porn.
    I believe that this is an opportunity for me to build the best version of me, I'll use my addiction as fuel to success. I'll build this lifestyle, free from porn and masturbation.

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    Thank you, my friends, for your support, I can't find enough words to thank you all. You are a group of elite people, I'm glad that I'm with you here.
    Good luck my friends :)
     
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    My apology, my communication was a bit off there. I know it’s her with resentment, what I was trying to say is that she should know that it’s not just about her. That you let yourself down, and missed out yourself as well.

    That’s it my man.... that’s it right there. It has to be a decision. Relapse happens from indecisiveness, sitting on the fence, lack of conviction. You guys have heard that motivational Eric Thomas quote right “ JUST DECIDE... what your gonna do, and how you’re gonna do it.” He’s right. I believe decisiveness and integrity are qualities that are highly attractive to women.

    Man it made me happy to see you write that. Everything is different when you make the decision. The temptations no longer carry as much weight. That decision has to be deep in your core. In the center of your being. Not on the periphery, where it can be easily swayed from one side to the other with a simple gust of the wind. Deep in the core, unmoved.
     
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    Those who procrastinate will inevitably have their decisions made for them by circumstance.
     
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    This is a profound perspective presented by star rider. Everyone should take note of this. George Carlin summed it up well.
     
  12. Davidphd1866

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    Thank you for the thoughtful reply FalsePromise. To elaborate on the use of the term "decision" a bit: I truly feel differently this time. I have no "goal" at all. I don't care if it's 100 days, 500 days, or never again. I have simply chosen to be done. It's been very liberating.......and much easier.

    Obviously, the danger is ALTERING that decision. So I am far from out of the proverbial woods. But for now, I have very little worry about this whole thing. It's far calmer now. Urges seem gone. And I don't think it's "flatline", I think my mind knows what I decided and has no choice but to go along for the ride.

    Thank you again.
     
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    Excellent video. Agreed, VERY appropriate to the observation StarRider made.
     
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  14. Create a better site then? Put your money where your mouth is? Lead by example?

    Or are you just empty talk?
     
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    Yes, You wouldn’t have thought of WANKING had you not been exposed to P.
    P has popularised this concept.

    What’s sad is, I remember when I was in Grade 6 or 7,
    A bunch of kids would ask people, “Do you shake?”. Few’d get what they Were saying. I didn’t know what they were referring to!
    Until Over the years, I got to, by hearing from such spoilt people.
    And One day My curiosity Struck me, at night while on Fox Life!
    It was done.
    I slowly started to resort to P.
    I consider Myself Lucky I didn’t watch weird shit. I quit P within the 6 months I had started it. I’m fighting MOing now.

    So these kids, merely 10 to 11 years old, are having their ideals spoilt by P!
    This is Indirectly, a Cyber-Sexual Attack. These websites are not banned in my country. They do not ask for age before giving access to videos.
    I hope someone helps these kids.
     
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    You make me cringe so hard man. How do you come up with these things? Empty talk? Money where my mouth is? I disagree with the suggestions put forth by the site, as do others. It has zero impact on me. Why would I have to create a new website in order to change some suggestions. I can make suggestions on this site, like I’ve been doing.
     
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  17. You whine. That's not a suggestion.
     
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    Interesting, I wonder if anyone else in this thread believes that I “whine.” Id bet it’s just you. Not sure why you waste your time with your useless contributions on my threads constantly. Your tactics are getting old.. you nitpick a sentence or two from someone’s comment so that you can challenge them, over and over. I’m not quite sure what you get out of it.
     
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  19. And I don't understand why you are still here, when you hate the people running it, and the userbase so much. Everytime I see one of your posts on threads by people who don't believe the same thing as you, you insult them and call them petty names and try to sound intellectually flaccid. And yeah, you whine. A lot.
     
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  20. seaguy44

    seaguy44 Moderator Assistant

    I was talking to my friends about this the other day.

    Imagine if there's no porn industry and imagine no one wanks off their dick (Impossible reality, I know, but just in this case, hypothetically speaking).

    What would the world be like?

    Very different. If sex is THE only outlet to control your sexual energy, you bet you'll devote TIME in finding the best girlfriend.

    This is one reason why LDS men find girlfriends so easily and so fast - why? They aren't allowed to wank off according to their religion and only can have sex after marriage. So they DEVOTE all their energies in dating women, and not on porn. It's one reason why most of them are married in early 20s.

    We men waste too much time on porn. Waste too much on wanking. We should be devoting our energies toward having healthy human relationships.

    Find a girlfriend or boyfriend or partner. Whatever. Just have real human connections. That's what matters most.
     

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