Relapsed to MO - My current situation (severe PIED case)

P is what caused PIED, not MO.

The reason this is so hard for you (believe me I've been there) is because you're scared of MO. You think that if you MO, it'll destroy your life entirely and you've built it up as this massive demon in your head, which gives it lots of power over you.

The main way to get over this (and be happier with life in general) is to accept these feelings rather than resist them. This means unconditionally accepting that sometimes you'll feel bad, sometimes horny, sometimes elated etc. Don't fear these feelings, don't resist them. Just accept them. Doing this will massively take the pressure off and make the process a lot easier and healthier.

MOing 4 times in a month is not unhealthy or addictive behaviour. The fact you can get it up without porn indicates to me that you actually have more of a psychological anxiety issue than PIED. The way to find out is if you get intimate with a girl, pop some Viagra and if it works then your issue is your anxiety. Use this until you're more comfortable and it'll help you rewire faster, just don't abuse it.

My previous porn use convinced me that I had PIED (I probably did to some extent) which lead to a negative feedback loop and avoidance of relationships. Recently I went to have sex and used Viagra and it went great, which has helped my confidence greatly. I have stopped fearing porn and accepted myself for who I am which has drastically helped my reboot process. If I MO once in a month I'm not going to beat myself up about it, learn from it and move on.

Happy to chat more if you'd like

 

I second that response. Porn is the problem. Once you’ve healed from porn, masturbating every now and then means nothing. You consider masturbation a failure and therefore associate sexual release with failure. If you just do it every now and and try to enjoy it, and not automatically think you’ve suddenly relapsed or failed your Nofap commitments, you’ll be fine. Semen retention doesn’t do anything. Porn is the real problem. On quitting porn it’s good to abstain for as long as you can as a way to disassociate sexual release and masturbation with porn, but if you can MO naturally, without porn, infrequently, to realistic fantasies or to just pure physical stimulation, then you’ll be fine. Just stay away from death gripping. That can fuck you up and make you think you have ed. Be gentle and use 2 fingers.

 

I’ve been trying Nofap for about 2 years, and I’ve had 2 streaks of 70 and 72 completely PMO free. After the 72 day one, I had a couple relapses but tried to stay mo free for as much as I could, but I soon realised that mo wasn’t the issue. I originally had a death grip issue, and an extreme porn escalation which desensitised me to anything natural. Quitting porn basically eradicated that.

I then started masturbating every now and then to natural fantasies of girls and a natural gentle touch so I could remove the association my brain had between sexual release, death grip and extreme porn. And it pretty much worked. After a couple months of that, I feel better than I ever have at the moment. My sensitivity is crazy good, but I still have a bit of anxiety surrounding this, but it is definitely not pied. More anxiety since I’ve had pied in the past, but when I’m out in public I’m feeling insane levels of attraction to girls.

Anxiety can basically ruin anything. If you’re full of anxiety that can suppress your natural desires and make you feel flat or dead down there. If you just try to relax and look after yourself, you should be fine down there.

 

In the beginning full abstinence is important, I did that aswell, but after you’ve gotten over porn, there’s really no need to completely avoid masturbation. People on Nofap tend to link release with failure, and that can make them think that a simple orgasm is a bad thing. If you associate the feelings of an orgasm with pleasure, then you’ll realise that masturbation isn’t bad at all if you don’t over do it. But of course, if you can’t get it up by just using your mind, then don’t force it. Wait until the porn is completely out of your system. You’ll know when that is.

Morning wood for my comes and goes. It’s a good indicator but I wouldn’t sweat on it if it doesn’t happen.

Also 2 years to recover is standard I guess. It took me 2 years of streaks and relapsing to be where I am now, and I’d say I’ve recovered from pied. Just don’t PMO but also don’t go hard on yourself if you MO. One mo isn’t going to change anything, especially if it’s without porn and with gentle contact. If anything, you’re training yourself to expect natural, genetic stimulation, instead of pornographic influence stimulation. End of the day, do what works for you, everyone recovers differently.

 

Yeah I can. Not everyone gets morning wood every day. It depends on what type of mood youre in when you wake up. But, yeah i can achieve erection by fantasising, and finally, its without the whole extreme pornographic influence. I might not be completely 110% recovered but im pretty damn close. My only issue is anxiety at the moment, but i've always been one to overthink and over-analyse things so apart from that, I feel fine.