About the sexual objectification of women

Women want men to find them attractive and desire them sexually. But as women, living, breathing, emotional, thinking people who are intelligent, funny and loving.

Objectification just makes them pleasure-vessels for one purpose only.

The sexy clothing, tight dresses, low-cut necklines etc. are to grab your attention so you are attracted to their other qualities.

 

Sometimes when women dress like that they are trying to attract a particular man. If other men find her attractive in the meantime it is not her fault. We have to manage ourselves.

I agree that some women shouldn't be so quick to be offended by male attraction if it is in a tasteful way, really their problem is that you aren't the guy they are trying to attract..

If you wore the speedo to attract the hot girls because maybe you have a big peen and only got attention from girls/boys that you didn't find attractive you would be dismissive/annoyed too.

 

I think in these kinds of topics it'd be important to specify what kind of objectification we are talking about. A certain level of objectification is just normal and inevitable part of the human experience. You don't look at the cashier and think about what they feel and think or what kind of personality they have (at least often). You just want your damn groceries so you can be on your way. Quite similarly you can occasionally spot a good looking girl and just see someone who is arousing to you without having to think about her personality that you know nothing about. I don't think that makes you a bad person.

However if you can't get over the objectifying way of viewing a person even when getting to know them more closely - if all women or some other people are to you is objects to your desires - you have a problem. And at this point it matters not how the other person is dressed.

Even this type of objectification can be acceptable while it's harmful to your social life. Because there is another factor at play and that is how you act towards the people you objectify. Let's get back to the grocery store's cashier. Yes, you very likely view them mainly as an object for you to get your groceries and that's perfectly normal, but regardless of wether you could get out of that objectifying mindset or not you have a choice to make: you can not only see, but also treat them as an object or you can act respectfully towards them thus acknowledging the fact that they are still a human being. For instance if the cashier makes a minor humane mistake, you can take your annoyance out on them like they were just a tool that is broken that doesn't have feelings you should be concerned of, or you can be understanding of them and keep treating them respectfully. Quite similarly when if you are to view a hot girl objectifyingly, you can either treat her with disrespect by acting as if she didn't have feelings or you can keep your thoughts to yourself and try not to bother her.

On the other hand getting aroused by someone isn't objectifying per se. If that's all you are doing, no one in their right mind would complain about it.

 

It's true, being sexually attracted to someone doesn't have to result in objectification. Personally, if I see an attractive man with an attractive physique I do look for a second. But I will not let my behavior turn inappropriate and invasive. It is the same as you said, liking the other's appearance but as a human being and not a vessel.

 

Learn to control yourself.

Yes, here I agree with you.
There’s no need of them complaining.
Most “Feminists” just use this to make noise, gain popularity.

People on IG have acquired the same concept.
Some girls will post sexually exposing pictures, with Arousing Captions, and when people comment on their pictures in the same way, or share those pictures somewhere else,
These girls will make noise as to how they are sexually objectified and shit. And what’s worse is stupid people will put up such stories and help in popularising.
Feminism is exploited by many people and has lost relevance.

 

I do not mean to say that you must control an erection.
You cannot control Lust, but you can learn to handle them.

Occurrence of thoughts cannot be controlled, but further entertaining those thoughts certainly can be.

 

People who say being sexually aroused by a woman's body is not objectification are clearly in denial. Nature has no concept of personality. Nature wants genetic material in the form of sperm being transferred into a healthy, fertile female body. Being sexually aroused by the female body = wanting to have sex with the body, not with the person = the person becomes a sexual object. Unfortunately most people can only see in black and white when it comes to this subject and they do not understand that sexual objectification can co-exist with acknowledging that someone is still a person with thoughts and feelings. However, that doesn't invalidate that sexual objectification still happens. I can go to a 5 star restaurant and appreciate a piece of chocolate cake on an aesthetic level, however, there is nothing I can do about the primitive part of my brain telling me to shove that piece of cake into my mouth asap as to not miss out on my chance of survival. If my 90 year old grandmother spent 5 hours baking a cake for my birthday, I will have emotional value attached to the cake in one part of my brain, while a different part of my brain again just wants to use the cake, like an object, to satisfy my primal instincts. There is nothing we can do about our biological instincts being triggered, no matter how much some people seem to try to deny that. We do not have to act on them, but we cannot deny their existence either.

 

No, it's called sexual attraction. But once this attraction starts lacking empathy, it becomes objectification.
Saying that objectification can co-exist with acknowledging the humanity of the so-called object is contradictory. Because in order to do so, you have to recognize the other as a human with a mind, and intending to dwelve into that mind. That is the exact opposite of sexual objectification. In which the only significant view is the asthetic one.

Sexual objectification is no different than viewing the other person as a warm sex doll. While sexual attraction, the 'instinct' you refer to, includes various criteria of evaluation. Of course, besides the initial superficial one.

 

Very well said.

 

That's unexpected. I never thought you would be fond of anything I could possibly say.

 

It was a good point and we'll said. Many of us here frequently disagree with others. Doesn't mean that props aren't deserved and points of view agreed upon.

 

I don’t see how it’s our fault if a few women want to be rude and hypocritical

 

Is that a quote from somewhere or did you come up with it?