fap every month or 3months as reward ?

U dont want reboot, see your a jerk, literally you jerk, and man you cannot stop that for the rest of your life, your dick will always be stroke for the rest of your life, and unfortunately it will be a lot more with your hands.[/QUOTE]


The point of this forum is not to deny and condemn sexuality or even to become lifetime celibates (especially not for those who are "incels" already), after once being successfull in rebooting. I don´t care what you believe or practice. I am just done to read all this spread bullshit by people, who are afraid of any sexual pleasure in general, like little girls are afraid of spiders.

 

Many good points already written so I'll ad something that was worst for me when I first did nopmo a few years ago.
Thinking that it will be fine to M once in a while got me very excited about when that time would come. Now if you don't know how addiction works, thinking that you'll get something, has the same effect on your mind as actually getting it. You can check some documentaries about gambling. Whether they win or not their brain releases the same chemicals.
You can never reset if you think you'll just go back to it.

I used to think M is harmless so I did that, once in a while, no P. Then I thought, well I seem fine, maybe more M is ok, then I got back into P, then I got back in hardcore messed up things. Years later, I'm still here with same issues. Don't kid yourself.

 

@Little Prince I totally agree. If the period of abstinence is predicated on the idea of a big wank at the end, the whole thing will be overshadowed by that context. It sets up the foolish and trivial action of bashing one out as desirable, which it is not intrinsically. Where are you planning to squirt? Into the toilet bowl? What a sublime experience. You could write a poem about it. You'll spend three months in an autoerotic fantasy, have your furtive little shuffle and then feel like shit.

Every day free of porn and masturbation is a reward in itself.

Now let's see if I can listen to my own advice.

 

Everyday free from masturbation is the reward.

 

haha, there are mostrly fanatic puritans i think you can reward yourself, it is also confirmation you managed your addiction... people who avoid it probably didnt manage their addiction..

 

“Rewarding” yourself with what you’re abstaining from will only keep you trapped in the cycle of addiction. Terrible idea

 

you will never beat your addiction you will be abstaining to end of your life... it is not solution, i'm sad for you if you suffer like this, it is like you are alcoholic

 

It sounds good in theory, but in practice you'll just end up bingeing.

 

Lol sure

 

Okay, you are correct. It’s a sure shot way of checking whether you’re still addicted or not.

But can you cite at least 10 examples of people[From Success Stories perhaps], who have Managed to quit P for good, and they Masturbate regularly without relapsing to their old habits? i.e. who have made this their normal lifestyle?

A Theory is of no use if it is practically unapplicable.

 

agree... it is not for everybody but i definitively go this way, i experienced this with different addiction, i avoided it for 10 years and i found, the only way is integrate it it is like from Carl Jung, you must integrate your sadow otherwise you dont control it, but you are controlled... but yes i just say again i agrree with you most people cant do it, then sure it is like heroin addiction for them and it is better if they avoid it, but their are still addicted "avoiders", who fanaticaly defend "avoiding", for sure no offense, i like your constructive reply
oni musí

 

I'm not sure this makes sense, Thinking. If we're taking as a base assumption the idea that PMO/MO are addictive, just like tobacco, alcohol, or harder drugs, then the logic you're using would imply that someone who has quit smoking or is going to AA meetings should smoke/drink after a certain period of time to see whether or not they're still addicted to the relevant drug. One's system first has to get rid of the addictive substance, which takes time, and then repair itself from the damage caused, which also takes time. Even assuming reintroducing the drug into the system didn't automatically set up a new physiological dependency (which it would, because of the nature of homeostasis), it's just really not a good idea from any angle.

I'm hoping this analogy shines some light on the nature of P/MO as an addiction.

 

I do not intend to generalise it to any other addiction.
Also, I wouldn’t consider doing this at all.
This is limited to what @HugoDePrag Feels is Plausible for him or a certain set of people he thinks have achieved it.

 

Fapping isn't a reward. Fapping is nothing.

 

That's fair enough, and I'm not attacking you.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on what differentiates PMO from other addictions, though.

 

It is a rather deep question you ask.
A few days I was close to thinking that there’s hardly any difference between Drug and PMO addiction.
I think the basic effects of most addictions are the same.
The causes are different.


PMO addiction Exploits the Existing natural feelings of pleasure.
Other addictions such as Drug or Smoking are artificially developed addictions and in no way have an analogue to a natural bodily process.

PMO, however Comes close to natural processes like Sexual intercourse and WD.


So for PMO addcits its difficult to distinguish between the pleasure of:
1. Natural process (Sex, WD)
2. Addiction (PMO, MO)

Whereas people who who get high know that taking drugs is not natural and in no way mimics their bodily functioning.

That’s what I feel.

 

exactly i've quit alcohol over 10 years ago, i've also quit smoking cigarettes maybe 11 or 12 years ago... and i can drink and i smoked pipe couple years back just for pleasure, i dont drink and dont smoke todays but i will drink beer on christmas one or two drinks after meal. Cigarettes are not worth to smoke but tobbacco is not bad in general but not in cigarettes

 

So the argument would be that PMO is an abuse of the body's naturally existing reward circuitry, and this is different from extra-bodily sources of pleasure. Fair enough.

It's interesting to note that the root for the word 'dopamine' is the same as the root for the word 'dope', meaning both Marijuana and somebody who's not mentally with it. It's a pun, the same way 'dentine' means 'tooth-stuff'. The point here would be that dopamine is produced by lost of things and circumstance, within and outwith the body, and the pleasure/reward circuitry of the brain/body doesn't distinguish between the source. It's just the appropriate use or the inappropriate abuse of a stimulus that constitutes a healthy lifestyle or an addiction, respectively.

Also, the reasoning between the horrific genital mutilation practiced in a lot of tribal societies is just this - to prevent the abuse of such a readily available source of unwarranted pleasure.

It's the extreme equivalent of making sure you don't keep drugs in the house, but it means leaving your genitals at the doorway to manhood.

As a result, though, those societies didn't have problems with MO, and it shows you how seriously the issue has been taken throughout history.

 

I don't think we agree. I'm saying it's a bad idea to re-introduce chemicals back into your system, even once you've overcome an addiction. Whatever, though - everybody's different, and you do whatever you want at your own risk.

 

Overcoming an addiction means not even wanting it anymore. If you sometimes drink, smoke, do drugs, you haven't overcome anything. You're just switching from one addiction to another. You are at best less of an addict. I don't know what's with all these ideas of testing the addiction substance/activity to see if you're still addicted. Do you guys hear how this sounds? It's like taking heroin to see if you can only do it once. Just why? If you think about doing it you're not cured of addiction.

Just to be very clear, by addict I mean someone who regularly overstimulates their mind. Making the brain produce unnaturally high levels of dopamine is bad regardless of the way in which you achieve that.

Do not view M as a reward, it really isn't and it's a bad mindset that will keep you addicted.