Nofap and sex dolls

This. OP, this is just your brain trying to trick you into finding some kind of release so it can get that O it wants so badly. Don't fall for it.

 

Yes, I did xD

Man, this kind of "does it count?" questions are nonsense. Stop tricking yourself. What are you doing by posting this? Are you asking for permission to do it?
If you're asking that question, you already know the answer. Of course it is masturbation. Instead of your hand, you are using an object, that's all.
Now, if you want to do it, then go do it. It would be very hypocritical of me to judge you when I have done it myself, and unlike the religious members of the forum, I don't find masturbation or porn immoral.
I'll just tell you that, regardless how good sex dolls may look, masturbating with them is actually less satisfying than masturbating with your hand, since they're really difficult to handle.

Lol, some people on this forum get way too melodramatic.

 

Huh?

 

Do you admit to having sex with a doll in real life? It's easy to act like its no big deal on an anonymous internet forum (although still shameful).

Does your family, friends, co-workers and people you meet know that you had sex with a doll? Or do you hide and withhold this information in order to maintain your integrity?

You know that people will look at you differently. You know that some women view this as an almost sub-human depravity. Of course, you're not harming anyone. But you are indisputably trading your dignity by divulging this information.

It's not melodramatic at all. It's the way it is. I don't know of any society in the world where fornicating with dolls is the norm. I don't know any man who would teach his son to do such a thing. It's a deviant perversion that is directly inspired by porn addiction.

First cure your PMO addiction. And then all these fetishes, deviances and perversions will fade away in time.

 

Wouldn't say it's depraved. People's sexual lenience is their own business and when you start treating it as taboo (in anything other than non-consensual situations) than you're over the edge. They have sex doll brothels in many places around the world, they are relatively popular in Japan and I hear Barcelona is picking up steam.

To view such things as bad is not a healthy outlook.

 

Japan is a really unhealthy society in terms of porn addiction. The birth rate is declining and young men are havng less and less sex and more and more PMO. This is an example of the collective illness getting worse rather than a society improving.

Sexuality is not something that should be totally within a person's choice (i.e. pedophilia, bestiality, etc). That's a really damaging outlook. Sexuality is intimacy between two people. Pornography depicts really unhealthy behavior and influences people to imitate it.

Healthy sexual intimacy is between two consenting adults (whatever the legal age is). Everything else is a pornography influenced perversion: such as orgies, threesomes, sex toys, kinks, etc. None of these things are natural behavior.

Men need to rid their minds of all PMO and discover sexuality in its natural form. Because PMO addicts don't know intimacy. They only know how to relive porn fantasies in real life. And that is delusional, not healthy.

 

To OP: I considered the same thing- I concluded that it is the same as masterbating. The reason is that it is nothing like sex with a real woman - and you will overstimulate, in the same way that you would with porn.

It is also very unfulfilling - and will not help with the dopamine reset. If anything, it may trigger a relapse.

I would not recommend it. Stick to no PMO for the recommended 90 days. I'm at 30 days, and I'm already feeling an improvement.

 

No, I don't. But you're clearly confusing shame with awkwardness. You don't tell your mom about your sex life, not because you're ashamed of having sex, but because it's awkward to talk about that topic with that person.

Why would I spit random facts about myself? I don't talk about that because I find it pretty much irrelevant in biographical terms xD.

Well, I've told several people that I have a sex toy collection, and no fucks were given. They just had a laugh and forgot about it. Not everyone is as obsessed with this topic as people on this forum xD.

I guess mostly religious women and feminazis, and I'm not into them.
The thing is that you don't introduce yourself by saying "Hi, mi name is X and I have a sex doll". You first build intimacy and then you talk about private affairs.

Lol, what? Orgies have been around since the dawn of time, way before porn existed.

And it's easy to judge people on an anonymous internet forum.
I can't talk for every sex doll owner. If you talk to your doll, pretend it's a person, set up a fake wedding... then that's weird as fuck.
I'm just a guy who buys some stupid shit now and then, and I thought it would be a fun object to have. I used it a few times, didn't like, placed it in a wardrobe, and haven't taken it out since then. In what way does that affect my integrity as a person for the rest of my life?

 

One should not judge sex doll ownership - it is what it is - just another 'toy'. It can lead to unhealthy obsessions - but that can happen with anything. Cost is not a barrier anymore - one can now purchase realistic dolls for under 500. I still wouldn't recommend them for sex - it's not much better than porn. However, some people use them for 'practise' - i.e. practising the physical strength required to have sex with a woman - lifting her up - getting her into position - feeling her weight etc. For that - sex dolls can actually be very good exercise.

Note - I'm not talking about blow up dolls - but full sized TPE realistic dolls - which weigh 35-50kgs.

 

What an exercise, man xD! I can squat 170kg, but really struggled with a 39kg doll. Keep in mind a real woman can move, while a doll is like a dead body. And unlike a barbell, it's not easy to handle.

 

Haha - yes, it's harder than it sounds - although it won't be wriggling like a real woman - the weight distribution is very different to a squat bar - and can therefore be quite challenging.

A real woman can also help you when you try to move her - by using her core, and holding on to you with her hips - whereas a sex doll is - like you say - a 'dead weight'. Although in my experience - many women don't actually have any core strength and expect the man to do all the work. My ex needed help getting off the sofa...

You can also pick it up and carry it in many different ways to target different muscles.

Again - not saying that is a good use of money/space etc! But worth considering if one is thinking of getting one.

But bringing it back to NoFap - I would reiterate that I would NOT recommend getting one for sex. It is just as bad as porn in terms of impact on brain and dopamine disturbance.

 

Those are examples of nonconsensual acts. I don't know that less sex and more pmo is necessarily a sign of unhealthy behavior in a society, particularly when there is an overpopulation as is the case in Japan.

Everything that appears in porn is a result of natural intrigue, that is *why* it is there, not the other way around. That's like saying no one fantasized about romance until romance novels were written.

 

Have never thought about a sex doll to honest but if I had one I would probably be embarrassed if someone found it. The loss of all integrity seems a bit extreme. What do people thing in general about sex toys for men? It seems like it is pretty normal stuff for women.

 

Excellent post. And I fully agree that healthy sexual intimacy is between two consenting adults. Are those things you listed really pornography-influenced perversions though? While I agree that they are perversions, I don't think they're entirely influenced by porn. The ancient Romans and Greeks were doing these things long before porn magazines and videos existed. It could be that some people are just genetically predisposed to being born with certain perversions, and that's why they're attracted to porn in the first place. It's kind of like when people say that video games cause violent behaviour, but the majority of people can play them without having violent outbursts. Couldn't it just be that some people are born unhinged and were more prone to being directly influenced by those video games?

 

More PMO and less intimacy, mating and bonding is obviously a negative direction for society to go. Porn is not a solution to any social problem, especially one as complex as population growth.

My point is that the intrigue is a perverse and deviant misdirection of sexual intimacy. The energy is being channelled into more novel, dopamine-spiking and extreme forms - that's what kinks and fetishes are. They are real life porn fantasies. Just as porn escalates into increasingly unnatural content (i.e. straight men watching gay and transgendered person videos), so too does sexual perversion in real life escalate into kinks and fetishes, including sex dolls. I don't see how a population of men increasingly obsessed with such perversions can be of benefit to any society and we thus should be advocating against it.

 

The United States and Yemen are among the only places on earth where you can find unregulated firearm possession. Do you think China has a problem with children going on shooting sprees? The problem isn't with video games but with access to guns. I will say video games are an under-researched topic in terms of their impact on psycho-social-emotional development and its impact on the brain (similar to internet addiction). And there are certainly some people more susceptible to being influenced and triggered into extreme behavior as a result of what they see.

One of the only ways to societally counter this - because we cannot pinpoint everyone individually in this category - is through censorship. So in many countries, particularly East Asian and Islamic ones, there is strict gun prohibition, internet censorship (i.e. no porn, no gambling, etc.) and media censorship (i.e. no violent movies like John Wick, and so on).

As for Roman orgies, I don't know the details, but it would be just as hedonistic and destructive then as it is now. We can isolate lots of exotic sexual practices in different tribes but that doesn't mean they are suitable for us. It seems a human predilection to experiment with extremities. It seems to me that tradition, culture and religion throughout history has made a task of upholding the highest standards and values of what was successful for their ancestors.

My feeling is we should be informed by the past (tradition), and that tells us to avoid experimenting with new hedonistic fantasies, like sex dolls. The deeper relevance of this topic isn't about improving bedroom performance but about dehumanizing and objectifying the sexual act. And this points to deeper psychological imbalances that cut across different parts of post-modern society and culture. I see the issue in terms of this larger picture.

 

Just because your genitals aren't directly stimulated by your hand doesn't make it not masturbation.

 

I don't see how it is a detriment to society either. I would also point out the concept of sexual intrigue being redirected towards novel causes doesn't add up, it presume you can take some pure form of motivation and apply it towards any given topic at your choosing, which simply isn't the case. One doesn't say "I'm horny, well.... guess I'll write a book with that energy." You have competing motivations sure, and restricting one will float another to the top, but you don't get to just carry over your motivation from the original task to the next.

 

Are you advocating for this?

 

Advocating for what? Controls on guns and prohibition of porn? Yes. As for media content, they should be striving towards artistic achievement and storytelling, not bombastic violence and pornographification.