Why do some people defend porn like this?

spoken like a true gentleman. thanks, man. it made my day

 

just to play the devil's advocate here: if you're not addicted and not a child, porn can be a good way to just jerk off real quick. and without having a moral judgement here, I guess, that people just like their freedom and are concerned with the possibility that someone might take it away from them. Personally, I don't smoke and I drink alcohol maybe 2-5 times a year - both things are bad and destructive as fuck as far as I'm concerned. Meanwhile I don't think they should be banned out of existence. It's a thin line though. It'd be best if porn was like a soft drug like weed for example: widely disapproved, hard to get and somehow illegal for most people (at least here in Germany) but not impossible if it's really your thing.

 

I completely agree. Thank you for posting. From a young age I was interested in girls sexually, and that ended up with me stumbling across P. I got caught a couple of times at a young age. I was punished accordingly, but I just became sneakier. I really wish that my family could have caught onto the problem when I was younger so that I am not as heavily addicted to it as I am now. It is appalling to me that people would support allowing their kids to watch this kind of poisonous material. My root cause of being interested in girls is the main reason why I am having trouble with girls now. I think the reason that people see porn as being progressive is because of the sexual revolution. It was based around having people no longer question what is normal. Honestly I could have used some criticism about the way I consumed P, and the way I treated girls. For the longest time I can remember not even seeing girls for their personality. My young mind was so deluded by the material I watched that I thought only about a girls body when I first met her. It sucks to say. The sexual revolution is said to bring positivity around peoples sexual choices, but the only thing I have seen it create is more objectification of women all the while creating a new generation of P addicted young men.

 

You make good points. Except that they aren't defending pornography's existence or legality, but defending it as non-addictive and non-damaging.

On those grounds, they are ignorant of the research and typically disinterested in it. Which means they are hypocritical and don't really care about the reality of the issue but in merely asserting their libertarian-hedonistic values. Thus I don't see any value in arguing with someone who takes a position like that.

The science angle is one approach, but stronger still is a moral, ethical, spiritual or religious objection. Because when you push the argument from that position, we discover that the vast majority of pro-porn people are atheist, materialist nihilists to differing degrees. This is actually its own form of dogmatism because they can't argue this position on their own because they don't thoroughly understand it.

So that's how you gain an advantage in the dialogue.

As for effecting the culture at large, we have to be the torchbearers and the pioneers. We have to collectively set the example of anti-porn lifestyle (and other things, as well) by living it.

Words are limited to theorizing and hypotheticals and at the moment there is way too much of that from the anti-porn side. Almost everybody relapses continuously so there are few examples of movement leaders who can stand up against pornography with integrity. What we need are collectives of people who oppose pornography (and other things) through their actions and lifestyles. Deeds are more influential and persuasive than arguments. And at the moment, the pro-porn majority has the most influence because they consist of like 99.9% of males.

 

OP is about right. Anecdotally, I've noticed more people seeming to be at least vaguely porn-skeptic recently - although most are understandably pretty coy about it.

 

I can relate to this post so hard, mainly because of my younger brother. He is a psych major, and I get the vibe that he does not think porn usage can be THAT damaging solely based on his damn psych teachings. How he does not see that it can develop into a habit that is just as pleasurable and dangerous as heroine, cocaine, I do not know.

 

People defend porn for many reasons.
Sometimes they know you're right and they're in denial
Sometimes they simply don't want to be forced to re-examine their habits
Sometimes they have financial incentive

I had someone spam porn at me on discord recently for the pure mention of NoFap in a positive light. One day he will remember that moment when he decides to quit on his own.

 

I have no problem with porn existing or people watching it. I have just had a bad personal experience with it and that is as far as I'm going to go because I have no evidence or arguments against porn as a consumer product.

Personally, it hasn't even been that big of an issue compared to masturbation for me. But we can't ban that, can we? Education.

 

You are right.

 

Exact thing Roady said. The worst part is if one says it is horribly immoral as it is they'll scoff and attack the individual.
It's knee jerk defensiveness towards the indefensible. This carries through all error. They use "sex positivity" to cover their lust, "body positivity" to defend gluttony, "living your own truth" to defend pride and self-idolatry (making a God out of themselves).
If you disagree you're a closed/narrow-minded, ignorant bigot.
We live in a world that calls what is evil good and what is good evil.
That's why chastity and treasuring one's virginity is mocked by this wicked world. But what's funny is that these wicked people hurry to deny or cover the indisputable consequence and shame that comes with their destructiveness.
On a C-19 thread on that website I left my very first comment about how unusual it is for the authorities to announce a "new normal" now to fight this flu virus; whereas when it comes to Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV), Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) and Herpes-Simplex Virus (HSV), there's no "new normal". Even though all three cause lifelong suffering and death to a significant amount of the world population- people really aren't that concerned about their safety when it comes to sex. In fact, "hook-up" culture is promoted and chastity is mocked. I don't care about arguing the comparison STIs not being as easily transmissible as C-19, the numbers speak for itself- more people die and suffer from STIs than they do C-19. It's about the culture. The culture has the opposite reaction towards STIs and irresponsible sexual behavior. When it comes to C-19, it's "Stay home" "Mandatory Lockdown" "Nobody likes it but you must comply for everyone's safety" "No gatherings" "How many people outside your family do you see?"
But yet asking someone how many people have they had sex with is "taboo."
Saying "that's why we have condoms" is like saying "that's why we have masks."
You know? You see the inconsistency?
The response I got for pointing out that was, "Thanks for the incel take," which I think is ironic only because I say what I say from experience. I know I went on a tangent there and a little off-topic but I think I didn't stray too far.
The point is, I think people are willing to look the other way or fight for their vices because:
1. Most people are simple. That's the foremost thing you have to consider, it sounds like an unkind thing to say, but it is not; just as most people are "ordinary" (including myself), most people are simple when it comes to their observation and reasoning. Most people will do what they're told. Masses of people are brainwashed to feel horny all the time and they just accept it. Sex on the tv and movies, in the music, on the billboard, in the food commercials, in the toys, in the way we dress. And nobody questions it. They're simple-minded.
2. Most people are carnal. Again, people will put pleasure over sacrifice- in fact they will sacrifice for pleasure.
3. Most people are debased. Meaning they've taken a step down an unending stairwell and there have no idea how to get back up because the light of the entry-point has vanished from their eyes. Many people are free-falling in darkness and their only hope is to hit the ground without dying.

 

It certainly fulfills a similar role for many. I've seen some men that develop infatuations with specific women in their porn. Not just a preference but spending huge amounts of money to buy every film this person has ever been in, donating to an onlyfans or something like that if they have it, donating during streams if they do that, etc. So its definitely possible that some porn users become quite invested in their porn, both financially and emotionally.
Obviously that's an extreme, but I don't think most porn users are that rabidly anti-nofap either.

Of course, the more likely explanation for this specific incident is that the person is just mean-spirited and was looking for any excuse to be an ass.

 

Wow. This sounds so ridiculous it looks like sheer provocation. But even if it's true - it's her kids, we need to accept that - if we're not fascist Jugendamt workers. But we can and should feel sorry for them and about their long-term development. And we should speak out about how wrong this is.

It's a big pity she doesn't raise her kids in a "family-positive household". Pornography is usually pretty incompatible with the notion of family which relies on the exclusive sexual relationship of mom and dad, particularly all the "cuckold", "incest" etc. fetish trash that's evidently gaining on popularity these days, which is horrifying.

 

I don't think its "fascist" to give our opinion on someone's parenting. It isn't like we're harassing the person or anything. Just harmless discussion about why we think exposing 10 year old boys to porn is a terrible idea.

 

No, I meant that Jugendamt and its approaches to resolving family problems is fascist, not our opinion-making.

 

Someone close to her with sense needs to whoop her ass lol. Jk. But fr though if I had a brother and I found out he was doing this to his kids it'd be a fight.