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The overlooked flatline that comes before the reboot

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by santeria13, Aug 29, 2015.

  1. santeria13

    santeria13 Fapstronaut

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    I've been doing some reading online and found some very interesting articles on why it may take so much time for some of us to heal.

    Personally, I've been MOing since around 10 years old and PMOing since around the age of 12-13 (I am now 21) In my younger years; my libido was through the roof and I could not wait for the day that I would be able to have sex and release it. MOing and even PMOing back then, was simply to get my mind off sex for a while. Watching a kiss between two people in TV would be enough to get a rock hard boner, and would immediately set my mind on a roller coaster of thoughts about making love to a girl

    Over time however, the habit has definitely turned into something more sinister; in that I fap simply to get a dopamine rush and in a way to 'make sure things are still working' and very rarely because I am actually thinking about having sex in the pure sense of the word. It is usually caused by browsing through FB/social media or the general internet and seeing something provocative and thinking oh right; time to fap. I'd say that ever since the age of 17 I never fapped simply to get my mind off sex, rather I fapped/PMO'd simply because it felt great and got horny over some photo/imagery/trigger I would see, whether it be a girls ass on the street or a picture online. I can't remember the last time I fapped because I genuinely couldn't stop thinking about having sex with someone and the intimacy that comes with it, which was pretty much the case every time when I was little. Essentially, this urge to MO came through triggers which as I said could be anything or some days I simply fapped because I felt I had to/was used to it. It became mechanical rather than a means to simply get rid of my overwhelming urges to go out meet a girl, and fuck the living daylights out of her, which at that age was a bit hard to do, and hence the start of my PMO habit. Now that I'm old enough to have sex, I failed to get hard in my last attempt and don't really think of it in that natural, raw, animalistic fashion that I did when I was younger. The irony.

    It may be misleading to say 'I don't think about sex anymore'. I do, but when I think of sex, I indirectly relate it to porn. Hence why MOing to fantasy after you have watched porn for so many years is much more detrimental to the reboot process than some may think. Your fantasies are very much based off porn and the imagery/expectations that it has provided to your brain.

    Furthermore, again since around the age of 17, I frequently MO'd with a weak erection and would have to keep stimulating it through touch and the infamous death grip to maintain it which at that time I thought was just normal. Morning wood comes and goes, and it's something I never really paid much attention to but in reality I'd say I was missing it more days than not in recent months/years. All this leads to a general lack of sensitivity to anything down there caused by real women which I didn't particularly notice or care about because I was still getting it up in my MO/PMO sessions. Most days, my penis would be unusually small as well, which I never paid much attention to before the exposure to Nofap. I just believed it was naturally like that. Essentially, for the last 3 years I have been in one big, fluctuating flatline. But I continued to watch porn/masturbate and never gave my brain the required time to heal, prolonging and severing the flatline as time goes by. It got to the point where I'd have to shake my penis some days to get any arousal going, or just watch some really kinky/taboo porn.

    This is my theory on why so many of us go through such long and demotivating flatlines. The reason being we were already in a flatline for a long time, and whilst if cut short at the beginning, it probably wouldn't require such a long time for the brain to heal. Hence the more you MO/PMO during this period, partly to alleviate this sinking feeling in the back of our minds whilst providing the required dopamine kick to counter this feeling, the more time your brain will need to heal in the long run. No wonder some of us may need way more than the said 90 days to really get back to those days of just imagining the girl you like and how much you want to be intimate with her, being met with a 100% rock hard erection. The problem then was how to get rid of the erection, rather than how to get it in the first place.

    I'm 19 days in and have experienced a lot of urges to fap/look at porn but don't really get erections or intense sexual thoughts about anyone. But It's not throwing me off because it's essentially like my 'libido' in recent years was purely based off porn and sexual imagery/fantasies rather than the pure urge to just go and have sex. Basically, my brain has said 'well fuck this shit; you're no longer providing me with the dopamine rush that fuels my false libido, so I'm gonna go to sleep for a while till I really work out what I want rather than feeding off short term fixes.'
     
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  2. Bump. This thread is very useful.
     
  3. Rev2.0

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    Well timed bump. I lost about a 40 day streak today and it was precisely a panic response to flatline. After a couple of weeks of consistent solid morning wood, everything had shut down again the last two weeks so I felt the need to "test" things. Also believe lack of social contact from coronavirus and a lot of stress at work had something to do with it, as well as a couple recent incidents of drinking more alcohol than I have been used to. My wife and I are also not having any sex right now due to factors beyond our control. That all being said they are factors but not legit reasons for "breaking." I simply need to get to where I embrace flatline and push through it with healthy rebooting behaviors (no P or P subs, minimal self touching, consistent exercise, good diet) vs panicking and giving in.
     
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  4. young Dale Dan Tony

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    Yep prepare for the long run, Im at day 285 no pmo. I watched P for 15 years and started at a young age. Think my flatline (and dead dick symptons) ended around day 200, I remember I was driving a bumpy road and suddenly I noticed my penis was responding to the bumps. Overall my erection is definetely improved but still not the same as when I was young. But I think I will be able to have real sex because my interest in the female body is growing each day rather then before it was a scary unexplored territory. Stay strong !
     
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  5. Hey man, thanks for this answer. I also did PMO (and lots of edging) by 14 years. I have dead dick symptons since 2015. Could you tell more about your reboot? Thanks.
     
  6. Makis

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    Unfortunately, we've all been there. Testing erections and worrying about flatlines and before you realize it, you are back to pmo...We need to trust more the process. It looks that you are on a good path and you are doing well overall. Don't let this temporary setback keep you down. Continue from where you stopped without looking back! I hope that things with wife get will get better and you resume sex soon. And if not, remember that you do this for yourself, to get rid of a destructive addiction and to free your mind and your potential...
     
  7. GripStrength

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    I hope my ED is caused by this! I was the exact same as a kid. Pure passion drove me. But porn definitely ruined that for me. Now having someone I love. I couldn’t even get it up for her and feel really bad about it. I was able to get it just enough to get it in. But would start to die. Actually she pulled me down to kiss me when it happened. And that was enough to make me finish . Definitely brought back a bit of how I felt as a kid. We live far away though so I try to test my boner all the time instead of just letting it go without touching. With no luck though. If it does anything though it’s because I’m thinking of that time with her. So hoping my ED is all porn based and when this Covid is over and she can cross the border and move in, that my brain will just get used to only getting excited by her (honestly already was and is but I want it to work properly and consistently which it doesn’t) and all this ED shit can be something of the past.
     
  8. young Dale Dan Tony

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    Apologies for the delay, hereby a small recap of my recovery :

    My ultimate goal is to fix PIED so that I can have a normal sex life! I'm now 29 years and didnt have alot of real sex. My fist time I watched porn I was 13 yrs and first time I had sex I was 15. But actually the whole process was very disappointing and confusing, I couldnt even get a orgasm. I was scared and didnt even look at her vagina, I expected so much more.. because watching porn maked me sooo horny but the real deal was scary and weird. The 2nd time was a bit better bit still scary. So already with the young age of 15, I kept watching porn instead of waste my time on real woman........ in my opinion porn is a extremely addicting drug, it fucked up my brain already at this age. Its a drug which you can have 24/7 easy acces too.

    Fast forward 10 years later I was 25 yrs and had some positive sexual experiences, but always slighty scared. Someday I met a girl and experienced my first PIED, I was so confused and sad, I went to my doctor and he told me it was probably performance anxiety, he gave me medicine (the famous blue pill) to try out but I deep inside I knew this was not the solution. From my this day I had dead dick symptons.

    Shortly after this I quiet my job and started travelling around the world, I met a guy who had the same issue before and he introduced me to the nofap community. First I was skeptical but decided to give it a go, so I first did 66 days of no pmo, then I met a girl and we had sex, it took 5 sec before I orgamsed and afterwards I had PIED again. After this I relapsed for a few weeks and then decided to take my reboot more seriously :

    My reboot (no pmo, no sex) was going good for most of the time, first 100 days I had zero libido and almost no urges, my penis felt lifeless with no signs of improvement. Halfway I had my first wet dream in my life. Basically for me it was not difficult to keep going, I kind of have peace that Im not sexually active. I workout almost everyday and didnt noticed any body fatigue or other health issues. Some days I was very unmotivated and unhappy, asking myself if my PIED can actually be cured.

    Around day 150-200 my libido was coming back slowly, with ups and downs. Someday I started to notice that life was coming back to my penis became, very slowly tho. The days went on and I became more horny, I still fantasize about porn but I try to discard these fantasies every time.

    Day 250- untill now, I noticed that my erections are still improving, they are not 100% fully erected yet, I think its about 80-90% now. On the other side I have nights that I wake up midnight and cant go back to sleep because Im too horny and keep thinking about sex, I have an erection for hours. So maybe my PIED is on the edge of being cured. Once a girl will come down my path I think I will be able to have sex... I will see
     
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  9. Thanks. Before my reboot I reached the point that I couldn't have an erection even masturbating to porn. I guess, I'm really fucked I think it will be a long time to heal.
     
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  10. young Dale Dan Tony

    young Dale Dan Tony Fapstronaut

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    At my latest fapping months I had the same, the only moment I was 100% erect was the moment I ejaculated.
    Better long then never ;) , I dream everday about the day that I finally have found the woman of my dreams and I can have sex with her all day, this dreams keeps me going !
     
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  11. Flatline is basically when you don't get aroused easily right? I still fail to see why this is a bad thing. Maybe it's worse for sexually active people? I'm not sexually active.
     
  12. It's a bad thing because is what gives you ED.
     
  13. CalixTOP

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    hey man, how you doing now?
     
  14. young Dale Dan Tony

    young Dale Dan Tony Fapstronaut

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    Good man! Ready my last post
     
  15. Waitinggame

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    I have similar experiences. I started my NoFap a little over a month ago after noticing that I couldn’t even get hard to porn anymore. Scary thing indeed, I was wondering if that’s it for my sex life!

    But since I started, after about week 1.5 I got a morning wood and man was I happy. But then the next few days it went away and I became worried again. I lift fairly heavy in the gym so I just took my mind off it and started focusing on my workouts and work on my emotional well-being too; that’s also very important in this journey. Trust. Then in maybe week 3-4 I had 3 wet dreams in that one week!

    Since then, I have gotten erections if my thoughts wonder and I’m thinking about sex. And without touching myself. I have also been getting morning wood too, fairly frequently. Also on and off random erections at work, morning wood have been very strong to not so strong. Erections at work have not been very strong. Though still, if I see any porn I get aroused a little but will NOT get an erection from it.

    I am not worried about relapsing because this is very important to me. And I realized that when I build up enough and I work out, I get wet dreams and my body releases it. Just wanted to share my 1 month few days journey thus far. All the best boys.
     
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