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What are your biggest challenges with women?

Discussion in 'Dating during a Reboot' started by vibemaker, Jan 13, 2020.

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  1. 1. Start a conversation.

    2. I don't know what to say, I know there is no magic words but I really don't know what to talk, I can say something like "Hi I am a shy guy, but you look like a nice girl to me and I wanted to say hi" It's a good start? What should I say next? (Btw I should just go with the flow and don't think too much)

    3. What should I tell them.

    4. Actually no, I think if I try maybe I can make the conversation flow but I overthink too much so...

    5. Yes cause I ovethink and that makes me "afraid" to socialize with people.

    6. Everyone is different, so I don't know exactly.

    7. My mindset definitely.
     
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  2. lwyrup

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    for all i care me being fine with myself is my biggest problem(if you catch the drift)
     
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  3. Kramum

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    So you're doing a study. Well in that case I might as well answer.

    1. I would be interested in that when I was younger, now not so much. I wouldn't really name it a challenge because finding someone for a date is not rocket science.
    2. There are no fears. But I get what you mean. The thing I would like the least is that it's all for naught. That I would just waste time because nothing would come out of it. Which in and of itself is what you call meeting new people, so obviously some of them will be your friends, and others won't. I get that it could be a fear to someone else, but it is not for me.
    3. I definitely wouldn't care about any courses. I mean, what would a course like that even do?
    A waste of money in my book.
    4. I don't know what success we are talking about here. Anyway, no. Shyness is not a problem for me.
    5. I don't believe in segregating people into extraverts/introverts. I don't believe that's how humans work. In any case, assuming we are going to segregate people anyway, I would not consider myself to be an introvert.
    6. That's a tall question if you expect a specific answer. Obviously you can't say for sure because it depends.
    7. Honestly? Not that much, if anything. I don't exactly understand that question though.

    So how did I do?
     
  4. 1. What are your biggest challenges when it comes to meeting other women (approaching & dating)?

    I am hypersensitive and I need a woman who goes beyond appearances, especially when it comes to conversation topics. And it is rare there is a lot of superficiality.

    2. What are your biggest fears when it comes to approach a women you don't know? And what are your biggest fears when it comes to taking out a women you just met?

    I started approaching girls when I was 20 and I am 23 years old. I have approached more than 2500 girls in 3 years. Fear is still there and will always be there. The important thing is not fear but what we do with it. Thoughts are just thoughts. It is up to us to choose whether we listen to them or not.
    Fear is just an emotion, nothing else.
    Fear is still less important than when I started.
    There are always uncomfortable moments and moments where I feel like shit. It's part of life. The important thing is to remain aware of who we are no matter what happens to us.

    3. If there would be a really good course about 'getting good with women' which problems would you really like to be solved by that course?

    We are our best teacher. It's like learning an instrument. You can take the best lessons, but if you are not passionate and if you don't do more than others, you will not progress at all or only a little.
    There has been a lot of questioning. I have also read a lot of books but these books have taken me further away from who I am than anything else.
    You read an author who "knows how things work", and that only reinforces the idea you have of yourself, the idea that you are not enough and that you don't know how to do things.
    You can find everything by yourself. Practice, practice, practice
    For me it's an illusion to believe that by taking courses or reading books you can progress. You finish a book, you may have "learned" things, but you're still lying on your couch. And when you find yourself face to face with a girl your true nature takes over. We read books to reassure ourselves.
    The real work we do is getting out of our comfort zone and approaching girls on the street, in stores, in the evening, in any situation, even if we are afraid (and especially if we are afraid).

    4. Do you see your shyness with women as a huge barrier for your success and why?

    Shyness is not a problem. The problem is that shy people do not accept their shyness. This results in inauthentic behaviour. Shyness is a strength. For me it is a form of purity. Only if you do this work of self-acceptance.

    5. Do you think being an introvert is ruining your dating life?

    No, I sincerely believe that introverts are those who have the deepest vision of life among all people. And those who are capable of surpassing themselves much more than others.

    6. What do you think women like most in men?

    Self-acceptance and honesty towards ourselves and ppl.

    7. What do you think you need to change in yourself and your personality to get all the women you desire most?

    Nothing, there is nothing to change just accepting things as they are and enjoying life :)
     
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  5. rob13_

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    1. Lack of convenient opportunity. Once I start talking to girls, I'm good... It's just there's not a lot of good opportunites to do so, especially now. I guess also me not having the balls to cold approach.
    2. Getting a reputation as a creeper. Haven't done the other one yet.
    3. Increasing my opportunities with women.
    4. I guess I initially I need to be more assertive to get what I want.
    5. I'm not an introvert, just lazy.
    6. Strong, healthy masculinity
    7. I need to work out at a gym after Covid-19 (started calisthenics already). I need to get more social, approach women more, and just work on myself to improve myself. Get over my fear of hard work.
     
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  6. LordQuas

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    Hypergamy and the feminist shift in women mentality.

    Nowadays, we gentlemen have a lot of competition, women juggle with lots of guys at the same time. They have too many options, you have less room for mistakes which means you can't be 100% authentic all the time (authenticity comes with flaws), you have to play games sometimes.
    Social media is a problem too, instagram especially. Hot girls are seen as really high value, it gives them access to a life of luxury, travel and so on without doing anything. Even if you are handsome, masculine and alpha, if you don't have money it's not gonna work, girls are used to this lifestyle and they live only for that. Money talks unfortunately. It doesn't apply to all women of course, but for the really hot ones, you need dollars. Even the "not so hot ones" have become really picky.
    Jay-Z said it, there is no such thing as an ugly millionaire.

    This can affect your core confidence, self esteem and beliefs.
     
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  7. if you feel the need to play "games" it means that you are questionning your behavior and how to act in order to please girls. Which is anything but high value and honest towards yourself and this girl.

    Oh yeah are you sure about that ? I'm not rich that didn't stopped me from dating "hot" girls, meeting awesome people. It's just a belief. True value comes from within. If you try to fill your emptiness with results and validation it's gonna get you even more unhappy. Plus you base your value on external elements (money). It's like building your value on a paper castle. Everything can fall apart at any moment.
    Imagine you become rich and thanks to that you can date beautiful women.
    2 months later you lose your job and you are homeless.

    You have lost all your charisma and your ability to seduce beautiful women. It's sad lol.
    lol x2
    lol x3. The truth is if you talk to a girl on the street, in nightclubs or anywhere, it doesn't matter, she doesn't even know if you're rich or not. All she perceives is value. Your inner value. That's it. Most girls even the most "hot" ones, doesn't even care about money. You can have sex with a very very beautiful girl without her even knowing what you do for a living. Because it's more emotional than logical and "money".

    Anyway between basing your value on money and basing your value on who you really are, the choice is made. If you believe having money is key, maybe you need to dive into your own insecurities in order to understand what's going on.
    What affects your self-confidence is precisely all those limiting beliefs that you probably believe out of ego. Believing you need money to seduce a very hot girl otherwise it affects you core confidence is nonsense.
     
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  8. Can't get preggo from a BJ or buttsecks ;);););););););););)
    Or jacking each other off

    Or if you wan't the really redpilled answer, having gay sex is great for avoiding unwanted pregnancy ;);););););););)

    "If you will it, it is no dream"
    - Theodor Herzl
     
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  9. LordQuas

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    Cute, I knew you would reply. You always need to prove yourself, you can't help it. It reminds me when I was your age, I thought I had the universal knowledge of life. I was so naive and so dumb.
    Listen, I agree with everything you said (except when you talk about me, you just don't know me), that's why I came to talk to you in the chat, remember. When I started to point out some details about your profile picture (which was showing you picking up girls on the streets like a real pua parasite, obviously your friend took the shot) and express my point of view, you became agressive and all of sudden you disappeared and deleted everything everywhere. A bit odd, don't you agree? Then you signed up again to justify yourself, told people that the forum was distracting, that you would leave again and now you're still here arguing. There is something weird about you, something dishonest. You are not the person you pretend to be. I don't understand why you are here, you told me yourself that you had no addiction problems. Some people might like your pickup journal, but some others probably find you really annoying, especially the ones who with real struggles. It looks like you are here to be validated and and get praises. If you don't struggle with porn or sex addiction, why are you here if it's not to brag about the fact that you get numbers all the time?

    Like I said, I agree with almost everything you said but unfortunately it doesn't apply to everybody and this is what you don't understand. The difference between us is that you are 23yo and i'm in my mid-thirties. I have more experience than you, I've probably seen more. I travelled, lived abroad and now have relocated in a country with a different mentality and culture. I've been through a lot of things in my life. With time my beliefs became less and less rigid, as i got more experience. You told me you hang out with a crew of pickup artists, you go out to approach girls, it seems to me that you don't have much going in your life. I don't know you but I guess you still live with your parents, haven't travelled much, and dated pretty much girls of your age (which is ok, you're 23 it's normal). Your beliefs are very limited, lack of life experience. Maybe I'm wrong, but reading you, I assume it's true, especially when you lol at "money talks", you have a long way to go son.. You are really naive.

    I talk from experience but still have a lot to learn in life, I don't have the almighty knowledge. I understand what I believe now is not what I'm gonna believe tomorrow.
    You talk about ego and everything, you're the one stuck in ego, you are reacting, you just don't realize because you are lost in your pickup girls bubble. If you were "that" alpha guy you pretend to be, you would care about what I think, you would waste your time replying to my post, you would't have signed up again. You don't want your reality to be shaked, it's not comfortable.

    I'm gonna tell you something, you're on the path to become a sex addict.
    Trust me, been there done that. I was exactly like you.

    no need to reply, not gonna read. I've wasted enough time.
    cheers!
     
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  10. 1. Probably the start. I always want to kind of start the conversation with confidence and wittiness instead of just oh hi. But I also don't want to be like one of those pick-up masters. I mean, those guys are cool, I respect them - no problem with them - it's just that it's not my thing.
    2. Being confident. I mean I am confident, it's just that I'm still immature, so to me it's not that easy to find that right type of confidence. I might say something confident yet stupid.
    3. Push-pull method. I understand it, I get it. It's just that I find it hard to be too nice or to say a compliment or two. I can do it with time, but can't be that smiling "cute guy" who pushes and then pulls. It's hard for me. I can say nice things, sure, but not in the way I should.
    4. Ummm, little bit. Overcoming it tho will help a lot to grow.
    5. I'm 50/50, so idk.
    6. Confidence, appearance, talking, manners.
    7. I guess not much. Just have to work on things that I already have.
     
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  11. lol so much jealousy, anger, ego and conclusions about me without any foundation.
    We project to the world what we think of ourselves. That's one of the most interesting things I've learned during these 3 years.
    I wish you to free yourself from all this one day because at your age it's sad to feel the need to write 40 lines of anger about a guy you don't even know on a forum.
    I deleted everything because I was becoming addicted to this site and it was getting too big. I was getting distracted all the time.
    It has nothing to do with you, don't think you're on top of the world.

    You can still go far in the world championship of guessings about people's lives lol.
     
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  12. There's a difference between hot women and beautiful women. Hot women are everywhere, they abound. They are beautified, not beautiful, big differences my man! Hot women are attracted to "shiny objects": money clips, camera, lenses and fancy watches. Beautiful women do not care about thes things at all. They are attracted to only one thing in men: beauty. And what is beauty in a man? A lifelong devotion to a personal passion, a passion larger than him, larger than her, larger then the whole wide world, a passion that radiates from his pores until the day he dies. This is the beauty of men and this is why beautiful women forever in love with these men.
     
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  13. Lol someone's mad.
     
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  14. vibemaker

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    YES!
     
  15. mrguy

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    1. What are your biggest challenges when it comes to meeting other women (approaching & dating)?
    Fear of judgment and rejection due to my past. I've had no long term relationships and only a few very short term relationships. Rejection from a lack of experience is something I'm very fearful of. Sometimes I assume a woman would just laugh at me because of it.

    2. What are your biggest fears when it comes to approach a women you don't know? And what are your biggest fears when it comes to taking out a women you just met?
    My lackluster past with women makes me lack confidences. My social anxiety is rather high. Luckily the last few days I managed to introduce myself to several women at the gym.

    3. If there would be a really good course about 'getting good with women' which problems would you really like to be solved by that course?
    Approaching, communicating, determining their intentions for me.


    4. Do you see your shyness with women as a huge barrier for your success and why?
    My confidence. I'm working on it

    5. Do you think being an introvert is ruining your dating life?
    Yes

    6. What do you think women like most in men?
    Honestly I have little clue. Sometimes it seems like the most stereotyped attributes such as high paying jobs, game, party-style confidence. Other times it seems like it could be some incredibly strange things unknown to me.

    7. What do you think you need to change in yourself and your personality to get all the women you desire most?
    The battleground is in my mind. I have a decent job with a potentially nice career path, not a high-powered career but a decent one. I exercise and take care of my physical self rather well. The battleground is in my mind. Just as PMO messed up my mind my lack of confidence is the killer. Unfortunately I just don't believe in myself. I need to change it.
     
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  16. vibemaker

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    Thanks to all the people who responded to the questions. This is of great help to me.
     

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