Gary Wilson says some people are permanently damaged

I sure hope this is true as it gives us all some hope. As a side note it is not clinically insignificant to suggest that people who have neural pathways so hardwired it seems impossible to get your brain chemistry back to normal should not stimulate the sexual pathways in the brain at all because, Even casual stimulus can reactivate that same pathway even tho your intentions are not too. Casual stimulus could go threw that pathway until hard mode has faded it away and you start from scratch. It would be like emptying out the fridge of bad unhealthy food, you can take a little out and put good food back in but you would still have the other half of the fridge full on bad food. Hardmode for a prolonged period of time is the only thing that will truly heal people, teaching your brain completely new circumstances instead of working with the old ones.

 

Hi, we both took ssri and noticed our downfall after stopping the ssri... we also share over masturbation and excessive porn use... so it's either pied or pssd.

Are there good moments where you're able to achieve a good erection?
What about your libido?

I think i have pssd or a severe pied, if i try by myself, i can't get a good erection. But there are rare spontaneous moments where i get a good erection, but it doesn't last long. Could these be pssd windows? I don't know. Only time would tell.

In case your libido is dead, i wonder if you ever have moments of good libido too

 

I’ve watched porn since I was 10ish. Jacked it 5+ times daily. I quit at 20 and was normal after a few months. Was a rollercoaster but I went back to a normal human

 

Unfortunately you have made mistakes:

Only hard mode for two years without a single relapse, without a single masturbation, and without a single orgasm makes improvements to be seen.

I recommend a two year pure semen retention for you. Everyone who succeeded was cured under that measure.

Six months hard is insignificant for cases like yours, even for moderate cases six months hard is insignificant in many cases.


I am going to write a thread about the importance of semen retention for two years in a row for difficult cases.

 

Thanks, this brings some reality to the situation, we must consider how long we did this stuff and how deep we got into it. A combination of both is the time and effort that it will take to get back to some "Normality".

Look forward to your thread about retention importance and benefits, it is a subject of particular interest to me.

 

How do you do to carry out these types of measurements?
I did not know that erections are measured jejejej

Are you aware of your erection when you are with a woman?
I never notice my penis when I'm around women. I have never done it, nor have I ever started to calculate if my erections are 1,2,3,4,5,6 or 70, or 90, or 100, 300% or anything like that.

Erections have no measure as far as I understand.

When you are next to women just enjoy their company and forget about what you have under your pants.

I tell you from experience. I have never walked with tents in my pants, however, I enjoy sharing their company with women. When it is time for intercourse or a bj you will get a little more excited. That's all my dear @Depressed&Out


From my experience I tell you (50 sexual relations in my life - 50 women in my life - girlfriends and casual friends, among others

 

You're lucky fucker, then!

I'm sorry, I don't think one needs to go 2 years without Fap? Why? The orgasim to MO is a different feeling from orgasim to PMO! (And I hope it's a different feeling in real life with a girl??!)

@EdSucks I never took pills.

 

Aren't there days or moments where your erection is good even for a short time or it is always bad quality no matter what?

Also what about morning wood?

Please don't get weirded by my questions, i am suffering as well, trying to compare symptoms and rule things out...

 

Could be true but it doenst mean we are one of those permanently damaged. Just focus on positive side of recovery and it will be fine.

 

Depressed&Out: masturbation is no longer convenient for you. You are already too old for it, and it is also time that you look for a sexual relationship with someone real. Mastubation is for the very young. You and I are already approaching our 40s. It is time to seek sex.

As long as you keep masturbating, you won't see results, at least from an experience point of view. I'm sorry, but I like to be honest with people here,

 

Never a full erection since I got PIED in 2014. Morning wood happens, but the strength is around 2-3.

One thing that we have missed for our recovery plan, is NOT to think about women! Once I did that, something did change, I dont know if it's positive or a negative change, but I'm willing to risk it by not thinking about women, porn, relationships, etc.

By the way, the thing that changed is that every third day I experience dreams related to women (sometimes sexual sometimes not).

 

Did you try supplements like ginger/ginseng/tribulus and maca ? I am eating these, probably one of them is giving me these feel good windows and more mood uplifts seeing there is hope.

Edit : I still haven't tried tribulus yet. Until my financial situation gets better.

 

From my point of view as long as people keep masturbating they will never see improvement. Worse still: when a person has zero sexual experience (late virginity), the practice of masturbation worsens the sexual temperament leading to neurosis.

I remember when I started having my first sex: It took me many tries to get it right. I failed many times. I was 26 when I lost my virginity. My problem at that time was not PIED, it was just a matter of gaining experience and leaving mastubation aside helped me a lot to be able to acquire sexual ability with a real partner.

For many years I have read hundreds of stories in forums and the cases where improvements are not noticed after so long is because I often see that these people continue to masturbate, or use Substitutes for pornography, or even, too much sex as a couple keeps them in a constant flat line. There is no harm. I want to leave this thread making that clear. Gary Wilson has never talked about damage. For better guidance see this article written by Gary on his website:

https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/es/...ction-cause-irreversible-damage-to-the-brain/


Some thoughts about masturbation that I am going to share in this thread:


Masturbation is a particular case because, more than a perversion, it represents a substitute activity, which can acquire the characteristics of an addiction in a way that makes it particularly gratifying, which is usually pornography, or voyeurism, that is, pornography ”. Live ”practiced for a fee or while witnessing relationships with others, or clandestinely (spying on people who intend to engage in sexual activities). The person who masturbates regularly is often plagued by the discomfort of not being able to have the ideal object of desire, and of having to settle for masturbation. Sometimes, on the other hand, the person ends up socially isolating or developing a disability in social relationships because their sexuality is hostage to masturbation. Otherwise, masturbation becomes pathological because the increase in frequency corresponds to a lower satisfaction, sought with anger or anxiety without success, or corresponds to a demoralizing and shameful condition for the person.

 

I'll never be able to go years with MO. I can't even go two weeks at the moment.

Plus, right my biggest concern is actually my big arse, that's getting bigger everyday. I'm sure it has something to do with NoFap/PIED.

My arse started getting bigger at around the time I stopped PMO. It's been nearly 3 years now and my arse has not stopped getting fatter. In few months, my arse with start sticking out and it will be really bad because even though I'm muscular, I'm not big enough to disguise it.

It just sucks so bad.

 

Bro, fat could be hormone unbalance, this is easy to fix go to a doctor and take hormone blood tests, imprint the results and post them here, even if your results are on the very low of normal, which is bad, the doctor will say you're fine. Don't believe any doctor and do your own research. Some hormone unbalance could make your body transform testosterone to female hormones, i think it's estrogen, i have bad memory.

Also i want to ask, what is your longest nofap streak ? I have the impression that you can't do a long streak to see if it fixes your problem or not .

 

You keep doing MO while you on NOFAP. That's called KINDLING. You'll never cure if you keep relapsing. Also you probably develop hormone imbalance mentioned below due such activities recurrent. I have had the same problem as you ie my body was disproportionated in the reboot. Now things start returned to normal bit by bit once I went hardmode.

 

I don't think that has anything to do with having stopped PMOing.

Those kinds of physical changes don't obey. You would be the only one among the millions of fastronauts that apparently is happening that. It's crazy what you are thinking. It's the most absurd thing I've ever heard in my life.

Many have given up masturbation forever, and yet they don't get fat because of it.

You are relating your weight gain to something that has nothing to do with having stopped PMO.

That is like saying that the coronavirus exists because the Chinese have small eyes or something like that absurd.

 

I am new but something I do not understand about this place: This site is called NOFAP

Why are there people here who keep masturbating instead of looking for something with someone?

If you want sex why not do something to make it happen?

Why are people still here masturbating if they are supposed to be here because they want to quit the Masturbation ?