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Gary Wilson says some people are permanently damaged

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Hisself, Jun 26, 2017.



  1. Very little is even known about this condition.

    The most likely theory is changes and alterations in the Nucle Accumbens. The alterations are the cause of the alteration in sexual arousal - libido and because of this - poor quality erections, or what you call it in these forums euphemistically: FLATLINE.

    There is much to investigate yet. It seems to agree with some evidence that a fairly long streak without ever having orgasms with sex can help the brain return to balance.

    Of course, there are people who heal by reconnecting with a partner, and during their restart they have sexual intercourse, but generally these men tend to delay their recovery a lot. Also the masturbation without porn affect very bad to the men in recovery procces.

    There is still much to investigate. For now we only have the research, the evidence from these forums and of course: Gary has been a great collector of information on this health problem in some men that they abuse porn in the web.
     
  2. Hisself

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    I’m speaking as someone who has cumulatively spent over 3 years not pmoing and had a stretch of 14 months no masturbation, porn, or sex whatsoever. I had my first 3 years on nofap with that mentality. I also reached a point where I believe masturbation became important to my recovery. I no longer do it but I did see a benefit at one point. Look up Noah Church’s video on “Is masturbation harmful” it was actually during a phone consultation that he recommended trying it. For severe cases that have abstained over a year he suggests doing it to sensation alone without fantasy and with lubrication. It can be beneficial to jump start libido for people with limited prior sexual experience. I agree it’s best to find a real partner, that’s why I no longer do it. I wouldn’t make sweeping statements about masturbation on its own. To each their own. To answer your question.. why are people here on Nofap talking about masturbation? Because they want to be and it’s an open discussion as well as a personal choice. The scientific evidence on masturbation being harmful does not even come close to the dangers of porn addiction. Nofap is just a name and in my opinion it’s not intended to be interpreted as dogma. This site is primarily a porn addiction recovery site.
     
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  3. @Hisself Hello. Many Thanks. Interesting Information.

    Good to read this. I'm interested in people here who have more experience than me. From what I see, you have it. You have been 3 years in that process. I'm just in 4 months hard mode. As you can see, you would be someone who can guide me here because you have more experience than me in this.

    Thanks for your contributions. Very good. I would love for you to continue writing me and clearing my doubts.

    I feel that I am wise to many here, but to people like you who have been around for so long I prefer to learn.

    4 Months is the longest time I have had no PMO in years.

    It has been incredible. I feel very good. Great.

    I am more interested in the idea of retention, which is why I am on this site so reluctant to the idea of MO.

    I have the belief that those who practice retention see much more significant improvement than those who continue MO, even if this MO is occasional.

    I appreciate your guidance in this regard.

    I am right ?
     
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  4. Hisself

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    You’re welcome, I appreciate the thoughtful responses. I think as a general rule yes you are right. I think the vast majority of people here will see major benefits from complete abstinence unless it is with a real partner. If it is with a real partner then you have to find what works for you in the current stage of your recovery. Just be wary of making sweeping statements in regards to sex or masturbation. I think by and large no MO is preferable if not necessary early in recovery. Also, being very self aware in reintroducing MO is a must if people decide to do it. Good luck with whatever you are trying to work on
     
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  5. Depressed&Out

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    I had 2 three months hardmode and 1 six months hardmode.

    The big arse started happening when I quite PMO - it's as though me being sexually inactive has made my brain think it's female and so it's converting testosterone to estrogen. In fact, ever since starting my fight against PIED, I've started feeling slightly more feminine! Nothing too obvious, but I just feel i'm no longer planting my seed feeling.

    I don't know how to explain. But this need to go 2 years without one single MO is a load of rubbish.

    One MO in two years (say for example at end of first year) is never going to set you back much at all. Therefore this principle is applicable to someone like me. As long as I don't binge MO.
     
  6. Nah his body get disproportionated due to chemical imbalances happened in the brain. And it's a result of quitting pmo because the brain has to return to homeostasis.
     
  7. No, when you used to pmo heavily, your brain release a bunch feels good hormones. The latter could take more than a week before things return to it's initial state. Now imagine you doing the same thing over and over again let's say for 5 years. Then you discovered nofap and started putting it into practice. So the brain shut down certain parts bit by bit in order to recover.
    That's one of the reasons they said it could take 24 months on average if you're a severe case.
    Keep in mind you'll experience a bunch of highs and lows while embarking in this journey of no pmo.
    For instance, you might have some "high" moments especially in your early days of reboot but that doesn't mean you're totally cured.
    Overall, your brain is in a fight and flight mode to return to its initial form before the addiction.
    BTW I have almost 6 years in the reboot including 16mo hardmode.
     
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  8. Hisself

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    At the risk of alienating and pissing off everybody here I’ll say what I can’t help but think. As the saying goes, you can ignore reality but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. You can say that there is no need to do an extended hard mode, but then you complain about the results you are getting or lack thereof. With all due respect I get the impression that you are not willing to do the work that so many others are willing to do to improve their lives. You do however like to complain and vent about your lot in life, which is fine but it won’t get you anywhere. Misery loves company. The fact that you are holding more body fat is common and I’ve had that happen to me during reboot. It’s asinine to suggest that it’s because you aren’t masturbating. If anything you’ve fucked up your hormones and they are trying to rebalance during abstinence. (Ashwaghanda) Nature doesn’t reward chronic masturbators with testosterone just for jerking off and it has been proven that the chemical process in the brain is different post orgasm from sex vs masturbation. Do you hit the gym regularly? Do you eat clean? Do you approach women? Do you push yourself outside of your comfort zone? All these should be yes answers and they are all things you have direct control over. If you are doing these in tandem with an extended period of abstinence THEN we can start discussing other issues and offer solutions but you gotta help yourself. Nobody wants to hear a pity party if you aren’t even willing to help yourself. Sorry if that’s harsh. Rant over and no hard feelings.
     
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    Does this mean that my body would have started getting fatter during my teenage years had I not PMOed? Unlikely as my Testosterone level and my youth would have meant that the Testosterone would have burned the fat.

    If you are saying the reason my arse is getting fatter is because my brain is going through some sort of rebuilding process, then how long should this take?? I went three years no PMO. Those included 2 three months hardmode and 1 six months hardmode.
     
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    You obviously haven't read my posts. I am as productive as most people - to the point that I sometimes rarely have fun! I can't because my life at the moment means I can't have fun. I workout religiously since early 20s, 98% healthy diet since early 20's, I study since early 30's (nearly completed a degree and will then study for Masters), I try to approach women but at this current climate, I can't.

    When you say that you also experienced weight gain, what did you mean? Was it all over the body or on one part? How long did it last, etc.
     
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  11. Did you read my posts that I've been on nofap for almost 6 years. In those years, I have done 16mo hardmode when I saw I wasn't getting healed. During those times I was pmoing in between ie completing 2 months-2 weeks then pmoed back n forth. That's actually dangerous for the person in reboot. Hence why I've reached 16 months of hardmode which help me a lot. I've bailed out 3 or 4 times but I kept returning to my old habits. And in return it fuck me up... As you age, reboot become slower and slower....
     
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  12. Hisself

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    Men tend to gain weight in the gut, love handles, and ass. How long did it last? I’m not completely sure, it wasn’t something I kept track of. Ashwaghanda has been known to help balance hormones, reduce stress, and help with body composition. I now sound like a charlatan trying to sell supplements. However I just started using it about 3 weeks ago and I am blown away by the results. Please elaborate on why you can’t approach women “in this current climate”
     
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    So how are you know? Please tell us about your signs of positive progress, whether this is alone or when being with a woman.

    And what do you mean when you say age has an effect?
     
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    I might try Ashwagandha later. Can you tell what you have been experiencing because of it?

    Also, I can't approach women due to pandemic. I haven't left my village (apart from one time) since April. At the moment I'm concentrating on work (from home), gym (at home!) and studying (online). Not sure I want to go out until maybe March time.
     
  15. BENEFITS
    Less time in bed
    Start enjoy music more
    Less brain fog
    Well being start increasing
    Start breathing through my nose more
    Life become less mundane
    And more....

    Overall I'm slowly but surely coming out of the hellhole of PAWS.

    For the age, I used to feel better in my early 20's after a month. As you age, it become 45 days, then 60 days and so on...
    I mean it take more days as you age to recover from withdrawals.
     
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  16. And PIED? Do you cure from PIED ?
     

  17. Extremely rare this case.
     
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    Ashwaghanda has leveled my mind and anxiety. Overall it has brought a balance to my mood and energy levels. It also seemed to affect my fat to muscle ratio and gave me a boost in the gym. I’ve also felt a big increase in libido because of it.. more frequent MW etc.. Just want to let you know that using the pandemic as an excuse to not approach women is a cop out. I’ve been doing it, in fact I approached 3 women today and wound up going up to a 23 year old in a food court of a mall, complimented her, sat down with her and chatted for about 10 mins, and got her #. Mask and all. If you want to you can, if you don’t want to meet women that’s fine but don’t make excuses
     
  19. Not yet but could feel the tissues or reproductive organs getting healed slowly.
     
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    I watched the Your Brain On Porn TedTalk and found it very interesting. He explained the mechanism of porn addiction pretty well. I do wonder if he has a hidden agenda as well tho! His wife is a sex-negative feminist (I am also a feminist, but a sex-positive one) that is promoting the false idea that orgasms are harmful! She has been debunked by many scientists! Gary Wilson and his wife both conspire together against the porn industry and healthy sex as a whole. I still have my doubts about his true intentions.
     

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