Don't download dating apps!

My experience, those were scam messages to lure you in in order to purchase a full subscription. I have been into some conversations that led to girls trying to get me to give them money or join cam sites. Dating sites are not real places to find people to date. If there are, they are deep under the pile of fake accounts.

 

Wise words. I don't have the height issue as I'm 6'2", but I will say that it's a real issue for some guys on the apps. My ex is 5'0", but she insisted on someone over 6ft for whatever reason. In real life, height isn't such a hinderance, but in the apps, it's like women are just looking for a reason to reject you, and that's an easy one to check off.

 

Get over it.

 

You can't let it go, can you?

Apart from anything else, I was agreeing with you. But, why miss an opportunity to get butthurt, eh?

 

dear friend im afraid i going to tell you the true. we can become in this kind of people if we want, just you need to buy some clothes, going to the gym and work in your appearence, take some pics in the right place and look confident and sure... that is the easy way but look if you see it in the background you are following a life style and this kind of life style provide you later or early womans. in this forum we are looking for to change our bad habits, and improve our self. I am agree in theory but i am using tinder and sometime i have nothing and another time i have few dates the thing im am trying to say is be focus in your live in yourself be the guy that you really want to be and you brain and you apearance speak for you. you are saying that you big fish eat the small one that true... then what are we waiting for to become in the big fish.

 

My goodness! A lot of people joke about this on YT and I thought they were just trying to be funny. Just 3cm difference and they would turn a man away like that? I'm speechless but not surprised. Usually, the best way to respond is by asking “What’s your weight?” This is a fair question because weight is something a woman can control. Height is something no one can control. No amount of exercise and diet can change your height, whereas for her, diet and exercise can reduce the weight. Don't be afraid of asking the weight question. A woman is up to no good and most likely you will be blocked/ignored if you're not 6+. Most guys know this and are prepared to ask the weight question. LOL. If she wants to be superficial, well, show her the mirror.

Here are a few theories as to why they want 6+:

1) Women compete with one another. It gives her status among her peer. If all her friends have men that are 6+, and she doesn't, then it makes her look bad.

2) High-heels. There are a lot of them out there that like to wear high-heels and when they do, they don't want to look taller than you, so they need the man to be taller.

I have never been on a dating app, and NEVER WILL. Cause it’s superficial.

 

good theory my dear friend dont worry we will find our umpa lumpa

 

and chad means? enlighten me plz

 

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man who is atracctive for the women an example: brad pitt. leonardo dicaprio, me after over 30 days with nofap and carrying on with it.

 

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man who is atracctive for the women an example: brad pitt. leonardo dicaprio, me after over 30 days nofap and carry on with it.

 

talking to girls online does help me realize that I have desires, and I shouldn't be repressing them, but the fact I can't meet any of them(no one in my city will talk to me) makes it harder to stay away from PMO

 

yeah, dating apps have definately got in me in loop the normal ones and the more risky ones, especially when im lonely and do not have a job right now i have to be really mindful of how to not fall into the trap

 

think less in app dates and more in yourself, you should go to the gym and build some muscles, unless you don't do that the result in your date apps will be the same. i am not a Guru hahaha just i have empathy. i think for a moment if ai am a girl i would like have got a good man. its the time to throw away the excuses and work in our self your body is the reflect of you spirit if you look after it, you won't be worry anymore, just be focus just work no excuses and carry on. i love you bros

 

@SparkySub Well said and well written. Dating apps typically lead me to feeling sexually frustrated. I will also point out that I have met girls that admittedly use these apps for validation which is understandable. Nothing beats insecurity like a bunch of dudes telling you you're hot.

I also read a study that was done by a social media specialist looking at response rates on apps like tinder. They found that even the very best profiles (think Johnny Depp) get a response rate of 30%! That means only 3 and 10 girls respond to the very best example of a tinder profile. Those are not good odds.

Like you said - stick to the real world. If your dating pool sucks then move to a bigger city. Seriously. Do everything you can to meet more women in person. You will grow more and find it extremely rewarding.

 

they mess with your head. I allow the conversations to go on for a time until I straight up ask them to meet, I don't wait too long. I was talking to this one girl who lives not too far from me, told her I would be willing to travel to her city to meet, no dice. Fair enough, pandemicand all. "i really wanna see you though!" ok lets do a video call "oh I really want to but im so busy" lmao alright fine. im not trying again. People are so dishonest. they just want your attention.

I think they really just want to be a flirt and get lots of attention from people then when it comes to actually acting on it, they are totally fine with just cutting you off. Now comes the question, how do you navigate these waters without getting emotionally invested. Which means you have to learn to pretend to be emotionally invested, until you can actually tell what their intentions are. Which means you need to bullshit. I'm not a good bullshitter.

 

I get too worked up about this stuff. It’s good to put yourself out there, just don’t take it too seriously. People are flimsy.and don’t put too much time into the apps on your phone. Set aside a time to send messages then leave it be. Focus on yourselves. No one else can make this journey for us. This is what nofap is all about. Making the right journey and not getting distracted

 

I disagree with everyone saying, join a club or cold approach women in public.

The end result will be the same, except you'll waste hundreds of hours getting ignored in public countless times, and realize attractive women don't join "clubs" or real world groups based on hobbies; old lonely men do those kind of things. Getting rejected hundreds of times in these ways, and completely ignored in person, when I thought I was fit and good looking, crippled my confidence more than any dating app ever could.

For a broader context

So... instead of a porn bing, I recently went on a Wikipedia binge for the last few days reading non-stop about everything from biology, mating, human attraction, animal mating, human and animal hierarchies, etc. What I'm about to say is all backed up in articles you can find there but also from my experience.

Many women mate with only the top men and modern technology amplified this. I disagree with the 80/20 ratio, I think it's more like 95/5. Every woman you see on the street has options of hundreds of extremely good looking guys no matter how fat, old, or out of shape she is. Most of them have a dating profile they open up when they need a confidence boost, and if not they at least have social media where they are approached by many, many guys, as well as being approached in real life.

Women lie about the type of guy they desire so you can toss out all of the "surveys" as unscientific and instead look at behavioral studies of both human females and females of other mammalian species to get the broader picture. The lying is not "immoral" by the way it's just part of how evolution has wired women to protect their reputation to increase their mating odds, and they may not even know they're doing it. Just like how women are hardwired to believe other women are more promiscuous to attack their reputation verbally in biologically driven efforts of social reputation competition to maximize mate quality. I could go into all the "messed up" ways men are hardwired but it's not relevant to this discussion; so again I love women but let's be honest.

Anyways, most of that is pretty irrelevant now with dating apps. But what women are attracted to is not. Females are attracted primarily to body mass. "Six pack abs" is a meme, and presented in false dichotomies in thinking about the world spread by fake pickup gurus to throw guys off to what women are really attracted too, so that guys stay skinny, unattractive and waste more money on junk products.

Females are not strongly attracted to an "alpha personality" either, they are attracted to looks. Countless experiments by incels with chad pictures have proved this beyond any doubt. The broader scientific community has proven that women are more attracted to males with Dark triad personalities but again personality is not a significant factor and not even worth worrying about at all.

The looks they are attracted to are those looks of men with extremely high levels of testosterone, which happens to correlate with a "chad personality" but that is a correlation.

The way testosterone works is through what's known in biology a "Handicapped Signal". Essentially high levels of testosterone divert energy in the body away from repair, away from the immune system, and towards sexually dimorphic secondary sexual characteristics. So deep voice, increased muscle mass, increased facial hair, as well as increased risk taking, etc.

It's an honest signal because it's handicapping your health. Increased testosterone, as well as increased growth hormone increases aging, cancer rates, and reduces the immune system, so the idea is that it's an honest signal because if a man can have those levels then his immune system and body must be very healthy to be able to afford that.

It's the same with increased body mass which is attractive to women, it increases aging, cancer rates etc.

So you have all these nuckleheads now that will "cheat" biology and take steroids and/or growth hormone, not realizing there's a good chance they're going to die; then they get to date all the women for a while, and then they die.

Even without steroids, increased body mass (which again is what attracts women) leads to over stress and stiffening of the cellular matrix in the heart which leads to heart failure as well as earlier death. A bigger body puts more stress on the heart.

It's also why the life expectancy of shorter people is much longer than taller people, even before accounting for additional muscle mass.

Assuming you've optimized your health as much as possible as well as testosterone levels and muscle mass, evolution has two primary strategies for males, either developing them to be a Beta Providers or "Chads" that sleep around. Beta providers tend to produce less muscle mass, less testosterone, and have more neotenous facial structures. They also tend to be more agreeable and everything else that goes along with low testosterone.

If you are a beta provider then a woman's optimal mating strategy with you (assuming you're rich & good looking enough) is to marry you and then cheat on you with higher quality males and hope you can't tell the baby is not yours. This is their hardwiring. A man's hardwiring is to cheat if he's capable of doing so as well, so not faulting anyone.

I'm not sure what the solution is, but this, along with it being amplified by dating apps is what is causing the world population to be on track to peak in 2064 and then decline after that.

Women in more economically dire conditions are more likely to seek out the beta providers, as well as women that grew up in those conditions (they are physically more attracted to healthy betas just by their pictures alone). Again, beta is a biological strategy your body has developed you into from birth so it is visible recognizable. In most developed nations women have little to no need for us betas. And again, being healthy and fit doesn't mean you're not a beta.

There may be many areas in the world where, if you can get there, it's easier to date, especially after the effects of the lock downs hits the world economy. Women in these areas are looking for a meal ticket, but also some one to provide for their families by sending money to them. Although increasingly they will just be cam girls, or scam you and many other guys out of money and not even meet you because that's more profitable.

Anyways I'm not sure about the broader solution, because choosing between hyper aging, heart failure, and possible jail time but getting to date, versus living and dying alone is a horrible choice. We as men shouldn't have to make that choice.

In the past culturally and religiously enforced monogamy was the solution to the destructive nature of male mating competition. I don't see any path back to that, but perhaps if some of us can transcend and gain super powers with no pmo and meditation we will arrive at some other solution.

But the situation is absolutely dire and no amount of coping is going to change that. Look at the mouse utopia experiments; this could be an extinction level event. Not to mention as mating becomes this unequal, societies tend to descend into violence, increased crime and potentially collapse.

But I will try to find a solution, and I'm sure others will also.