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What questions would you ask your PA partner

Discussion in 'Partner Support' started by LifeHappens, Dec 16, 2020.

  1. LifeHappens

    LifeHappens Fapstronaut

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    Hi,
    I have a journal on another thread, but I'd like to post this question here to get some ideas and perspective.
    My back story in short. Been together 6.5 years, married 3. First dday was 1.5 years into the relationship when our son was 2 months old, when I found pages and pages of messages sent to escorts, and appointments booked (never went ahead, was just a fantasy). Since then has been about 13/14 ddays exposing lies and hiding, of which only one was confessed by him.

    We are in therapy yet again (both individually), and his therapist has given us 4 actions to do:
    1. Me to write down all the questions I'd like answers to
    2. Husband to write down all the answers to my questions
    3. Husband will go through all the answers with his therapist
    4. Me and husband will meet the therapist to go through the answers

    This is not a full disclosure, but maybe something that will give me some clarity until I wait for the full disclosure.
    We did one full disclosure with a therapist last October, when we were at the verge of separating and I demanded the full disclosure in order to move forward with our marriage. It was a relief that nothing physical had happened apart from a kiss at a club. But visiting dating, casual encounter,and escort sites makes me feel very unease. I expressed my pain. And said I need a relapse to be reported within 24 hours and honesty. Neither of which I now realise I received. So where do we go from here?

    I have some questions I know I'd like to ask, but I just don't want to miss this opportunity to ask some very important ones, which I may have not even thought of..

    Thank you for reading :)
     
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  2. Trobone

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    I would suggest your therapist be there too if possible for your sake and for future debriefing.

    As for questions to ask - I have no idea honestly. I'm sure you already have the basics of how, what, when, why.

    I'm sure the big question in your head is pretty basic - "we did this whole thing before, and now we're doing it again, what's different this time?". When my wife asked me that question I was able to say "this time I'm going to saa, seeing a specialized therapist, taking additional measures like cutting phone use down dramatically, doing patrick carnes' workbook, finding a sponsor, and more". What's his response?
     
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  3. LifeHappens

    LifeHappens Fapstronaut

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    That exact question is indeed on my list. What is different at the moment is that we wrote and signed a "contract" of boundaries, ie no staying up late alone with his phone, disclosing relapses, honesty etc. Unfortunately I don't see any reading, limiting gaming on his phone, looking up meetings etc.

    I don't have high hopes for his recovery :(
     
  4. Trobone

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    I didn't do well with my first 2-4 times being found out. My wife asked me why i was taking this time so different and the answer was I believed her when she said this was my last chance and I guess this time I didn't see any other way out than up.
     
  5. LifeHappens

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    We were nearly separated, spent 4 months apart and I was serious about starting a life as a single mother, I gave him his last chance. But that didn't work as I still found escort messages sent and received during the time of separation when he was supposed to step up and work on his recovery.
    So yeah :( Don't really know what else to do, as now we have a house and a baby on the way (I believed he was in recovery so went ahead with everything) So I am very much stuck here... :(
     
  6. Psalm27:1my light

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    Can I ask why you believe nothing happened physically? You have a child. You need to take care of yourself. I’m probably more jaded than u, but if my husband was messaging escorts, or anyone for that matter, I would be getting an std test so fast it would make your head spin. addicts lie. I worked as a decoy escort. 90% were married and when we arrested/detained/cited them , their only concern was how to hide it from their wife. Their biggest, most common lie was they “ just wanted to talk” lol. Second biggest lie” I just kissed her, we didn’t do anything else.” Protect yourself. Do not believe words. Believe patterns and actions. Trust yourself, until he’s proven with time and behaviors that you can trust him. Ask him why you should believe him. Why should you stay and what is he doing for recovery. Will he take a polygraph with some one who specializes in sex addiction, if not why? How does he plan to make amends for the hurt he’s caused you and the marriage? Does he have gps/tracking on his phone so u know where he is at all times is he willing to put it on? Why is he trying to get into recovery? He’s got to want it for himself. I think too many times we, as so, get more caught up in wanting to know every detail of what they’ve done ( which is still ok, we deserve to know) but forget the more important questions of how will this change? How will you change? What are you, the addict, willing to do to be in recovery? Secondly , what are you, the wife, the mom, willing to live with? Must it be complete recovery no relapses? Must it be no physical affairs? Must it be no lying? Those are the questions I now ask.
     
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  7. LifeHappens

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    Psalm27:1my light
    Thank you for replying. It has taken me a while to come back here, I've kept my distance from nofap as it was too triggering. I understand that past is the past, I've made mistakes and he's made mistakes. But the questing is the about the present and the future. My bottom line is no contacting escorts or other women, not to mention physical relations. I m gathering the courage to ask him if he is willing to take a polygraph anytime I ask. We have a disclosure meeting with his therapist tonight and will ask then. I did compose a list of questions. but as you said, what matters is how things will change from now on.

    stegiss
    I appreciate your opinion. The changes he has made so far is daily run at lunch time (instead of watching P or doing what ever when I'm out). He has started to eat healthy and loosing weight. He writes to his AP daily. He does daily check ins (although they still aren't as thorough as I'd like them to be), he has taken some time on weekends to read his book ie work on his recovery. He has regular therapy every other week. He leaves his phone in my bedroom every night (currently we sleep separately due to his sleep apnea). He looks away if there's a sexual scene on TV.


    So we are having the long awaited talk tonight with the support of his therapist. We will both disclose. My only concern is will he actually disclose everything. All I can do is be 100 percent honest with him, and hope he is the same with me. At least I know my conscious will be clean and I can be the best version of myself. His choices are his.
     
  8. p1n1983

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    For me this is a deal breaker... and I wouldn't beleive that this was just a fantasy.

    So he is lying to you and hiding things. He don't even have the balls to come clean when exposed with the truth. I will not belive in his words anymore.

    For me a kiss is cheating and the end of the relationship, but let me tell you.. he did more than that.. but he knows what is going to happen if he tells you exactly what he did. He lied again to save his ass, don't keep buying his bs.

    This is NOT normal for a guy to do that. If he is into that he is not ready for a monogamous relationship.

    Now you are insecure and became controlling. This is typicall, and is all downhill from here..

    He is not going to do it, maybe he is going to do it if you found out without he telling you and confronting him about it.

    Or you accept his bahavior or you dump him. People don't change, if he is into that.. he is into that. Maybe he can make the effort to avoid it for a while but when things get borring with you he is going to get back to those enterteiment.
     
  9. Reverent

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    I'm curious how this ever went, were your questions answered? Are things better or worse?

    I'm so sorry you are going through all of this.
     
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  10. EyesWideOpen

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    This is a great resource for questions for your PA:

    https://www.makemyburdenlight.com/2016/07/questions-to-ask.html?m=1
     
  11. LifeHappens

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    I haven’t been in nofap for a while, as had our second child 6 weeks ago.
    To answer Reverent, yes I got all the answers to my questions and it did help restore the relationship, alongside with his therapy sessions every two weeks. So the trust was beginning to slowly restore. Hence I didn’t feel the need to come to nofap. But of course now I’m here yet again. He is not telling me the truth again. I understand that he will never change and the battle with porn will never be defeated. That is something I have to live with I guess. I have a newborn and a 5 year old and I’ll focused on them instead. I appreciate all the support and the reality checks I get from this forum. I may keep coming back here for understanding...
     
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  12. LifeHappens

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    thank you for this, wish I’d read it before the disclosure but quite a few questions that I had were outlined there. I probably won’t do another disclose as I just don’t see the point of it anymore. There is no clean slate with an addict, he’ll just keep lying and hiding sooner or later (in my husbands case) *sigh
     
  13. Trobone

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    I'm sorry it sounds like he has gone back to hold habits - even with the help of therapy.

    Please do what you need to do to protect yourself and your kids mentally. Set boundaries hard and clear with consequences.
     
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