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How to deal with the Coolidge effect in a porn-free monogamous relationship?

Discussion in 'Partner Support' started by Deleted Account, Jul 24, 2018.

  1. Jason_Tesla_19

    Jason_Tesla_19 Fapstronaut

    Sexual satiety is about four times higher after sexual intercourse than after masturbation. For men, masturbating four times a day is pretty draining on our energy, and eight times is absolutely insane! If a guy is used to masturbating twice a day, he would likely gravitate toward having sex once every other day. Your pretty average guy used to jerking off once a day would naturally gravitate toward having sex about twice a week.

    Here's a journal article on it:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16095799
    I also recommend the Reuniting site for further reading on the neurochemical aspects of sex:
    https://www.reuniting.info/science

    Here's some reading on ejaculatory frequency and sperm count (YBOP is another great site!). Men aren't really designed to ejaculate daily! At least not with the same woman. . .
    https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/are-you-exiting-gene-pool-due-to-low-sperm-count-or-ed
    "Sperm production estimates vary, but it appears that ejaculation every third day would not overtax sperm supplies (assuming they have normalized after very frequent ejaculation). Ejaculation every third day is more than enough action to keep a mate "topped up" with viable sperm, so evolution is likely to have equipped us accordingly. Incidentally, too many sperm can increase miscarriages because fertilization by more than one sperm renders a zygote inviable. "Eject!""

    If you're not happy with the frequency of sex, you might discuss having non-orgasmic sex with him.
     
  2. So if I understand correctly: natural sex drive as an expression of sexual desire for a long-term partner will be reduced due to Coolidge effect? Then it all makes sense, in combination with maybe still some rebooting effects.

    Thank you for all the links, this biologically programmed bonding is a pretty big news flash to me, I will definitely look more into it. I appreciate everyone's input here!
     
  3. Jason_Tesla_19

    Jason_Tesla_19 Fapstronaut

    Also something to think about, which may or may not be true, is that if a woman feels happier and more energetic from a man's semen, that the man feels happier and more energetic when he retains his semen. Partners will need to work out a frequency that works for them both. Not ejaculating often enough may make the woman feel rejected and like the man is withholding from her and she may get resentful, but ejaculating too often may make the man feel the woman is just constantly draining all his energy, and she will feel "needy" to him, and he may get resentful. Take this with a grain of salt, or a whole shaker full. :)
     
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  4. I dont have much to add to the very detailed postst that i've read on here, but i will say that under normal circumstances having sex 1-3 times a week is fairly average i think. That being said i know you used to do it more before he quit porn, but i think its all normal. The brain and body go through a lot of changes with abstinence from porn and masturbation and some shifts are bound to happen. If he is still turned on by you (as you said you believed he was) and he seems sexually satisfied, i wouldnt worry about it.
     
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  5. Jennica

    Jennica Fapstronaut

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    I will add, that with my hubby he was using quite a lot, up to multiple times a day. I had always had a high drive, realistically higher than him naturally. Since he has given up P&M his drive has returned to a normal level for him. Surpassingly to him it’s a lot less than he expected. It’s fine for us even though we never gave up sex as a whole but dialed it back for the reboot and focused more on emotional intimacy rather than sexual (with the big O). We are closer, turned on more. The quality out weighs the quantity. I’m more relaxed and he is in the moment with me rather than in his head with countless other women. It’s more passionate and fulfilling for both of us. We are feeling each other again physically and emotionally.
    I’m not worried about the CE at this point but I would be (like before) if he hadn’t made the changes he has. The more emotionally intimate we are the more bonding has returned and realistically stronger than ever for us including physically. Oxytocin is powerful too when utilized!
     
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  6. Kenzi

    Kenzi Fapstronaut

    Appreciate every "look" every day.
    'oh, the pink shirt looks different than the plaid!'
    'ooh my wife wore her hair down today.. Look how it frames her face!'

    People don't stop and appreciate what they have, enough I think.

    My husband has had a mowhawk for the majority of the time we were together.
    When he cut it off,... I admired it (I hated it) but he looked different, and different was good for us, sexually.
    Appreciate what you have, go through the cycles.
    Pause and reflect each day on the (even little) changes.
    People get so caught up in the High Def because they need Big Details in front of them to notice big things, that they are always missing the big (little) things they should be looking at instead.

    And this goes both directions.

    That's the real novelty.
    Stopping and smelling what's already in front of you.
    (rose joke)
    People just.... Forget how.
     
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  7. suntannedsailor

    suntannedsailor Fapstronaut

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    You are amazing in your analysis and self-reflection. Your husband is one lucky guy. The idea or rather question that came to my mind was: are you always available to him whenever he wants to have sex? Maybe if he needs to use some effort to seduce you with uncertain outcome, that could spice it up a little.
     
  8. Well, thank you, but my high level of objectivity and self-reflection unfortunately comes with the price of being too distanced from myself and my own feelings. Something I'll have to work on myself... I am basically always available to him, except when he is at work. That seems like good advice, I just don't know if he always wants to make that effort, because he still subconsciously seems to see porn as more exciting. I mean, we flirt a lot and I can tell that he is physically 'excited' by my presence, it just doesn't seem to be always enough to act on, like he is intentionally not acting on his desire because he knows what to expect already, when comparing it to porn for example. But again, this could also be connected to me being sexually reserved.
     
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  9. suntannedsailor

    suntannedsailor Fapstronaut

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    Related to being too distant from yourself, what would it look like if you went closer to yourself? What are the feelings there? Potentially there is something you need to uncover that is not actually as much related to your husband or even sex and his porn addiction but rather to your self-worth/self-love. He is only 'a mirror' for you to show you what you cannot see. [let me know if this does not make sense]
     
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  10. I guess you are trying to say that the sexual attraction and desire for your wife is different from instinctive lust that is dependent on the Coolidge effect? I think there are different levels of sexual desire. Yes, sexual desire in a romantic relationship can be channeled into a need for physical intimacy because of love for a person that never changes, but I do think it is still fueled by our primal instincts. Sexual desire is part of our biology. Every couple in a long-term relationship will experience a decline in sex, it is common knowledge and not every couple is dealing with porn addiction. Because the need for novelty is part of who we are. Not even when it comes to sex. I couldn't eat the same food every day either, even if it was cake and pizza. It's just natural on some level.
     
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  11. You cannot change the dopamine receptors in your brain and make them evolve. They were designed to make you sexually desire novel sexual partners in order for the species to survive. Yes, it releases dopamine in your brain too if you experience physical intimacy with a person you love. It creates a feeling of reward too. But a sexually novel partner is the strongest reward your brain can get when it comes to sex/sexual desire. "The concept of reward can be divided into primary and secondary rewards, with primary rewards being those that directly meet biological needs (e.g., food, water, salt, and sex) and secondary rewards (also known as conditioned reinforcers) being stimuli that have acquired rewarding properties through their association with primary rewards." Sex and sexual desire is first and foremost a biological need, like I tried to say. When you have sex with a person you love, you combine primary and secondary reward, meaning the feeling of reward is in fact dependent on the Coolidge effect. Dopamine receptors lose sensitivity to the same stimulus after some time, that doesn't only apply to addicts. And I do think food is on a similar level here. After eating pizza for 5 days in a row, my brain will still tell me it's rewarding to keep eating it the next day, because it still tastes good and I need food to survive. But it just can't compare to the experience and feeling I've had eating it the first time/first time after a long time. That's why the focus in a relationship is on physical intimacy (hugging, cuddling, kissing, karezza etc) not sexual release for the sake of sexual release.

    But as was discussed in the thread, there are ways to introduce novelty in a monogamous relationship, they are limited but with some effort I think a healthy sex life can be maintained.
     
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