P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

I'm just commenting on my personal experience. Like I said, I've both water fasted and juice fasted. I read and believed what was said on a shit load of websites about the mystical healing powers of fasting. In reality, it only made me weaker and more sick than I already was. There was no magic. No healing. I would only recommend fasting as a spiritual journey for people who are already generally healthy and can easily bounce back from a period of starvation. Fasting isn't a cure-all and doesn't relieve the hypofrontality caused by addiction. It definitely doesn't resensitize your reward centers. Neither does colon cleansing, coffee enemas, vitamins, herbs, research chemicals, or any other OTC or alternative remedy. I hate the idea of people being as desperate as me to feel better and then being led to try unfounded things that don't help them.

Like I've said in other posts. There is very little that actually makes me feel better, but lots of things can easily trigger me to feel worse. Coping with PAWS is mostly about adopting strategies to mitigate the things that make you feel worse. To identify and avoid the triggers that make you have awful days vs just regular bad days. When you start something as disruptive as a water fast you are asking for trouble.

Even by your own admission fasting didn't speed up or magically alleviate your PAWS symptoms so I'm a little confused as to why you would recommend it.

 

Erections with a partner and morning wood is much better in general. Paws symptoms like anxiety, heavy brain fog and tension headaches, cognitive impairment, depression, fatigue etc is still horrible. Plenty of stories Ive read mention not feeling much better until suddenly feeling great though! Thats what I am aiming for heheh.

 

But 2 years is a LONG time.... Why haven't ur PAWS didnt end??? . may be daily sex is the reason???

 

I dont have sex daily, more like 2-3 times a week. I am pushing my body more than what is optimal. Ideally I would aim for once a week or less. For some reason my symptoms get worse after one week without O. Maybe because my dopamine levels stay elevated for a while after orgasm.

 

Means u r having Withdrawls (Depression, Anxiety, Brain fog ) same as starting ... even after 2 years??? No improvements

 

I really really don't want to post here anymore but you keep tagging me so i get notifications, im guessing you want a response from me?

So you, being a guy with the username "6'6 280 lbs androgenic beast 6" that abused benzos severely as well as other drugs, have bipolar or some kind of mental illness i think you once said? You said you were severely bullied as a child and you said you witnessed some horrific events with your mother as a child but still you cannot fathom that the symptoms you are experiencing might not be related to "PAWS from porn" you even participated in a porn addiction study where your brain was scanned and they found absolutely nothing wrong, no abnormalities or hypofrontality.... Yet still... Must be the "porn PAWS" right?

You are a textbook example of what i have been talking about and you need to get more self awareness.

You continously misrepresent what i am saying and you lie about what i am saying.

And dude i honestly don't give a fuck about my grammar or spelling, im usually always multitasking when i post and im not here to impress anyone, i rarely spell check any errors i might have made because i just don't care enough.

 

Only very small improvememts normally, but some days I feel better. People always seem to talk about no orgasms or masturbation, but I think the number one problem is spending too much time on screens, surfing the internet and wasting time on social media.

 

Are u doing other healthy activities besides nofap like exercising, cold shower or wim hof breathing???

 

Yes all of them, I have always exercised and have a bf of around 10%. Working out actually does alleviate my symptoms temporarily, but time is the only cure imo. I do the breathing method often and cold showers every now and then.

 

Guys, came across this pdf on reddit which I am attaching. This guy recovered from PAWS after 25 months hardmode. They have made a pdf of all his responses and posts for ease of everyone going through this hell. I am also attaching it for you guys. Hope it helps. I found it really helpful and it resonates completely with me.

 

I am the textbook example I agree. The bullying, drugs, bipolar disorder, and fighting a lot, problems with the police, did not help my case that porn is my main problem.

The point is: even if I take a 90-day break I start feeling good after some withdrawal (hate the words, but here it is ;SUPERPOWERS), motivational again, get more creative and my vision improves and I become a much nicer person.

While being in a hypomanic phase during a hypomanic episode, I become an unhinged asshole, And I'm 100% another person to be around with. The hypomanic phase is a hell being for me.


I used to have 300 days PAWS hardmode symptoms, but after some relapsing strikes and loss by 300 days, I need less time and sleep to feel better. I feel like shit for 2 weeks, with symptoms like insomnia, slight social anxiety, brain fog, anhedonia (also because of a Lithiumcarbonate symptom) I can’t get my dick hard when facing real pussy. So this must still be PIED. It’s just stagnant these symptoms always arise after a little porn binge. Yes, I have medication (Lithium Carbonate, against mania) I also had PAWS for like 300 days, but the symptoms just left me suicidal.


DO NOT RELAPSE. NEVER. Just don’t feel sorry if you just relapsed. In my eyes, it’s bollocks that 1 tiny relapse put you in a state of doom and gloom. Which will 100% make your PAWS symptoms much shittier. I think I don’t have real nasty PAWS anymore. I can be charismatic, no anxiety, slight slow anxiety, minor depression face in my negative bipolar face. But I can live life again and regain powerlifting and swimming again. All I know is that a lot of guys here, porn destroyed their mental health. It also destroyed min. I get withdrawals for a week if I watch some porn with my girlfriend and no withdrawal symptoms with just sex with her. I'm 100% it's the porn. if he has regular sex. There is also something sinister about porn. Maybe I got lucky destroying my brain indeed got fucked up by drug use. Right now my brain heals a lot faster. I’m pretty sure that I will be getting PAWS, of I keep edging, binging, MO’ing full stop for some weeks. I don’t think a lot of have as fucked up brains like me, yet. Do you all get anxiety and depression/anxiety by the hundreds? (I'm asking the non PAWS sufferers here) We will al heal okay, keep up the hope? But you better listen to the almighty Nofap God @whysolong. Just stop browsing this forum and you're better within 6 months

I always was a happy playful kid, until some bad happened. I took the wrong approach when taking illegal drugs (for personal reasons). I took part in Nofap in July 2013 because I could not handle the Nofap withdrawal (plus the substance use disorder, which was a recipe for disaster. I began smoking cigarettes, then it turned to weed, and it turned into opioids like diacetylmorphine (heroin) Methadone, and Oxycodone. But I kicked the nasty habit with ease. It was making me extremely sick. I kicked the opioid withdrawal within 2 weeks, but it's pussy shit (my subjective experience) compared to benzos and other GABAergics. Those can take years Yes, Either drug has somewhat a different effect and withdrawal effect and timeline on the brain.

Porn withdrawal for me lasted way longer than all the other drugs, that's what I can tell you as a fact. (That does not count for the Protracted Withdrawal control group, they are still suffering benzo withdrawal after 12 years.)

Almost everybody with addiction, have issues with isolation, epigenetics, rejection, dumbed by loves one, financial problems, family, or other problems like that? problems. There is always an underlying condition @whysolong long, try listening to Dr. Gabor Maté. And yes, some just like to be an addict, they somehow pick that lifestyle.


I started taking benzos, baclofen, pregabalin to keep the anxiety down while going to work. They helped a lot with the anxiety, but in the end, destroyed my brain. Multiple mental hospitals and regular hospitals. So no, these GABAergic drugs were not the culprit, Alright I think I'm contradicting myself here and there, maybe it of both. It was the porn addiction, that 16 days after quitting this degenerate shit... I got these and many more symptoms after quitting porn, and still had to keep the job. I never had these symptoms in my bipolar face ever. Pissing 5 times a night, like an old man. @whysolong, you don't know anything about me and how it started. I could write a whole book, I have had a perfect happy youth with great memories. And as I said... I don't have PAWS anymore. My brain is just fixed a bit more, I am expected to get even more benefits.

My mother trying to kill myself was just 3 years ago. I have moved from that.

If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, it is a duck.

All horror withdrawal symptoms I had been dealing with are gone. I already said in my last post that I'm PAWS free. Just a tiny flare-up here and then. And penis pills does not do shit for me.

More than the half of the list a=has to do with bipolar disorder lol.

Here withdrawal symptoms:

Severe weird anxiety

Depression (despair, empty feeling, the feeling of guilt, sad)

Anhedonia (no feeling at all, just blankness, zero motivation)

Impending doom terror feeling

Panic attacks

Anxiety attacks

Agoraphobia

Paranoia

Irritable

Nausea

Heart palpitations

Social anxiety/paralysis

Derealisation (world looks "plastic")

Aches and pains (Sharp stinging pains in my abdomen)

Body parts feeling hot

Irritable bowel

Looping songs in my head

Stomach bloating

Afterimages

Monotone tired voice

Tooth and gum pain

Zero appetite

Shit had a different color and structure

Jolting awake during sleep. Sometimes every 10 minutes.

SEVERE insomnia. 3 nights (or more) without any sleep.

Hypochondria (thinking I had kidney damage, or recurring benzo withdrawal)

Shallow breathing

Minor headaches

Racing mind

Severe ADD

Trouble urinating

Frequent urination

Pain in prostrate when urinating (only during withdrawal)

Adrenalin rushes

Tight pumped up calf muscles when walking

Weak jelly legs

Very very low energy

Runny nose with flu-like feeling

Clumsy

Red hot skin with a fever feeling

Low IQ syndrome

Uncoordinated

Trembling and shaking with hand tremors

Worrying about everything

Orthostatic hypotension (dizziness when standing up from a sitting position)

Wanting to isolate

Blurry vision

Head tension

Chest tightness

Brain fog

Hypnagogia (hearing a voice saying my name during sleep)

Night sweats

Night terror

Weird beeping or ringing sounds during the night

Feeling like dying

Weak body overall

One time I saw weird visions when I closed my eyes, almost psychedelic

Nightmares (Vivid crazy-ass dreams with dark feelings)

Porn dreams

Sleep paralysis

Slow insecure Parkinson like movement

And Im sure Im forgetting some more



Last edited: Dec 14, 2018





SLeepisLost, Oct 20, 2018Report



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Pretty sure @sikreodds97 is on here too

 

I feel very sympathetic, in many ways your story is similar to mine and in many ways its not. I've had long term issues with my mother my whole life and i do not have contact with her, i also abused opioid for much of my adult life but not benzos.

I think i read half of gabor mate, i couldn't get into it for some reason, i really tried but i think the issue with the book was that it was nothing that i had not read before in other books so it was just repetitive.

Again, i am not saying all you have to do is stop posting on the forum to get better, the level of hysteria around what i said i did to get better is ridiculous. I don't know how many more times i can explain what my position and opinion is because people seem to just ignore it then fly off the handle into a blind rage while lying about what i said.

Read this, this might explain it better, this process of healing is the same concept of what i done :

https://www.tmswiki.org/forum/threads/how-i-healed-from-a-myriad-of-symptoms.18723/

Or

If you are interested in reading then try "you are the placebo" by joe dispenza

Or

"the divided mind" by john sarno


I am only suggesting these things because I have given up trying to explain it, angry people do not listen and then they misrepresent what im saying.

 

So just wanna make sure i understand this, sikreodds97 has writen a collection of writings on how he got better over 2 years on reddit but here on this forum he is still posting that he is very much not better?

 

@whysolong the sikreodds in this thread has had the original sikreodds who made the document as his inspiration. I've talked to the original one over reddit before he deleted his account, and also talked to the one here in the thread and he assured me that the original one is his inspiration because of his success stories. (At least I VERY much hope that this is true and that they are not the same person!)

By the way I'm new here. 21 years old, 8 months hardmode (7 months of PAWS), having the typical symptoms you guys are listing too. Never had any other issues so I'm 100% sure that it's porn PAWS, especially after reading the book by Gary Wilson and based on my personal experience. Glad to be here.

 

Interesting thread so far. Will read more, when I'm home from work.

 

Cool man. Let me know what you think.

 

Ejaculating 2-3 times will probably slow healing down a lot if not permentantly. As PMO addicts we are also O addicts. Orgasm and ejaculation is a huge dopamine/serotonin dump when recovering

 

@whysolong
I renamed my account after sikreodds97 because his reddit posts was litterally life saving to me. Got me through some really tough times man

 

Thanks for posting that. Always good to hear successes with people who suffered for that long.