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P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Fenix Rising, May 12, 2019.

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  1. I have spoken with Gary and he contacted his neuroscientist friend because I had a question about blocking kappa opioid and CRH during PAWS.

    I have the response here:

    "Hi Peter,

    A neuroscientist friend tought these ideas might be helpful.

    I'm still struggling with health issues.

    Kind regards,
    Gary

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    From:
    Date: Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 12:04 PM
    Subject: RE: Fw: Kappa opioid and CHR antagonists
    To:



    Yes, tell him to check out this paper and look at the Brodmann areas detected by these researchers, e.g., Broadmann area 45 which is adjacent to the insula. Attached it’s also a computer fMRI simulation made by this group: target those same areas. My view is that there is much more to say about the insula in porn addiction field than what is currently know, and that withdrawal symptoms Will involve the insula with almost 100% probability, because it happens with smoking and substances. If you want another promising area, target the ACC, because the ACC and the insula work in tandem forming what is called the “saliency network”, which you can bet it’s gonna be involved in porn addiction. We already have an indirect proof of that with EEG analyses that show P300 wave… guess where there’s the generator of that brain? It comes almost certainly from the saliency network (dorsal ACC area).


    The opioid idea seems very promising and I would encourage further exploration on that direction. Surprisingly, naltrexone and naloxene which are used for opioid addiction treatment and alcoholism, also work in porn addiction. Therefore, it is a totally reasonable hypothesis that the opioid system is critical in porn addiction (after all, orgasm releases endo-opioids and this is an endo-drug addiction). Check out my library on pharmacological treatment for porn addicts, all these studies indirectly point out to the opioid system as CAUSALLY involved, because if you antagonize or block those receptors, you can restore brain balance and promote healthy recovery.

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    Hope you find it useful"
     
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  2. gangstaLjos

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    Im 23. Started Nofap 4 years ago, but looking back it went like this: Good solid streak of 30, 60 or 90 days, but only to cave once the uges arrived, which also concluded in binges, and then new attempt at a ''streak''. Got really serious in 2020, and I am currently on a streak (the day I got really serious with this) since 25th of March, with 3 full relapses (without binges!), and a few peek- and edging sessions. Last full relapse was 3 months ago and last peek/edge was 2 months ago. I like to think that a relapse or a peek isnt resetting your entire progress, but merely setting you back. At least I hope so. I dont think the world is so cruel that it completely resets you because of one relapse. Binges, on the other hand, will for sure reset the entire progress, evident by my history with it and basic common sense.

    I was introduced to internet porn at the age of 10 or eleven, and masturbation at 12. At 13 I received a laptop and a smartphone, which helped fuel a porn- and mastustrbation addiction. The porn consumption of course developed into nastier stuff, but I wouldnt say that my fetishes became truly disgusting or horrific, but nevertheless shameful and distant from normal, healthy sexual attraction.

    I have dreams and goals that can only be achieved freed from this condition we all suffer. I hope that 2021 can be the year where I am healed. I know that urges will be the ''boss fight'' I must conquer, which has been my most difficult task so far. I hope some urges will be introduced to me in the nearest future, as I look forward to the challenge. I shall make it!

    I had in January two weeks where I didn't feel any dramatic symptoms. No superpower or insane happiness, but merely the absence of symtoms. I could laugh and enjoy the company of my friends, and I didn't feel fatigued the fuck out, nor did I experience any drastic depression and anxiety. It was very peaceful. Now, on the other hand, I feel awful - there is zero energy and life within me; I feel completely dead. Writing this, against my first instinctive will, has helped tho - I dont feel as awful at this very moment. I have been drinking these past Saturdays, as I am a student and I simply see it as a must, considering I live with 4 student-friends. I am very open to the possibility that drinking affects recovery, but to distinguish just how apparent is simply impossible given the lack of evidence and reports on this. I will probably continue drinking once a week as it is a nice escape.
     
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  3. Can you explain this further? Is he saying that those two meds listed may help alleviate symptoms? Or do they just aid in the effort to not relapse? I'm very fucking open to using meds as a helper.
     
  4. Naltrexone and Nalmefene are opioid blockers and will most likely make you feel even more like shit during PAWS. They block the "positive" opioid subtype receptors mu and delta. When opioid peptides like endorphins bind to these receptors they make you feel motivated and good. When endorphins bind to opioid receptors in the VTA (the incentive salience circuitry), dopamine gets projected to the reward center (nucleus accumbens). Naltrexone and Nalmefene block these opioid peptidea (because they are mu and delta opioid receptor antagonist.

    So no, too bad. They only help you stop relapsing. Because they work (block) at the mu and delta subtype receptors. There is however another opioid receptor which is not very loved. It's called the kappa opioid receptor, and it's endogenous ligands, the dynorphins.

    It's involved in many functions in the body. But let me focus here on the aspect of reward. When there has been too much pleasure like a great party, dynorphins are the opposite messengers than endorphins. It tells your body you had enough partytime. It makes you feel grumpy, fatigued, bored and even a little depressed. You should see it like yin and yang. Endorphins = good. Dynorphins = bad.

    Now what happens after an alcohol, porn, cocaine binge? Dynorphin levels rise and make you feel like shit. Plenty of studies report this. The hypothesis is that part of us feeling like shit is because of high dynorphin levels. (We also seem to have problems with the Insula and ACC)

    So if all these dynorphins bind to the kappa opioid receptors, one of dynorphins shitty action is it depletes dopamine even more. It is an anti reward opioid peptide.

    Now what might help our symptoms is an agent that blocks that receptor. Kappa opioid antagonists. They are even working on antidepressants that work as a kappa opioid receptor antagonist (blocker). Blocking this receptor makes you feel better, because dopamine can be better released in our reward center. Too bad they are still being tested and not released to the public.

    The problem is: there are no kappa opioid receptors antagonists released yet. There are some underground places, where labs create kappa opioid antagonists for biohacking.

    But sorry I can't help you with that. You have to go to reddit/r/drugnerds. Maybe you find someone with a KORA (Kappa Opioid Receptor Antagonist) Just be careful going that road. Check the link below.
     
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  5. I'm going to start taking an SSRI. Just emailed a psych and waiting for her to get back to me. I've been on one before and it helped me, though this was back when my addiction wasn't the kindled monster that it is now. It may not do much, or it may do a lot. I'm just ready for a change. I don't see it as taking the easy way out--my anxiety and anger are still super prevalent and it's almost been 16 months. It's time for a change. I need an injection of hope.

    Even if it doesn't work I'll at least be proactively doing something, and seeing time through a different lens. I like the idea of anticipating a drug's effects, as opposed to sitting around waiting for a good day to emerge out of the quagmire of shittiness I currently find myself in.

    I'm using this post as my guidebook: https://forum.nofap.com/index.php?threads/wicked-case-of-paws-what-finally-helped-me.234369/

    The pandemic, coupled with PAWS, mixed with the harsh winter of where I'm from has put me in such a shitty spot. I'm the most helpless I've ever felt.

    Wish me luck. For the first time in 2 months, I'm kind of excited.
     
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  6. Masked-Debater

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    I don't understand the point of talking about about opioid and dopamine receptors. It's not like there's a drug cure for brain neuroplasty because it's a feature not a bug. I spent 35+ years training my brain over and over again that happiness comes from never-ending selfish pleasure, and now I have to pay the price. We've been warned by every prominent philosopher and sage of every major religion since the dawn of time. Self-restraint and self-denial is how you save yourself from self-destruction. Self-control is where happiness comes from. Vices are the polar opposite of happiness. That is now, and will always be, the message that people just don't want to hear. Unfortunately, it's a truth that is deeply imbedded into our biology.

    Nobody is ever going to invent a drug that works better than evolution and natural selection. How would someone even market "the drug that let's you jerk off longer and more often!" :) hahaha. That would be as marketable as "dick flavored lollipops for women" :D:D:D

    In the end, you have to beat the addiction. There is no free lunch here. You have to change what you value.
     
  7. Masked-Debater

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    Good luck Zander13! For the love of God, please don't relapse though.
     
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  8. If you haven't read my previous post you should, taking any "medication" won't fix you, do you seriously want to deal with another addiction as your brain get's distorted even more?

    I've accepted the time this may potentially take, as I started at a young age of 12 until I became 18 to where I discovered what I was doing to myself. For me to be fixed under a short <2 years would be a miracle to what was the hijacking of my reward centre at an early time of my life...

    You can drink alcohol.

    You can smoke weed.

    You can take SSRIs.

    You can take Antipsychotics.

    But you will still never be free.
     
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  9. DerJogge

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    I think I can relate to have something that brings hope to your life after going through PAWS more then 16 months but from MY perspective antidepressants aren’t the answer. The question that always rises for me when someone is thinking about taking ADs is following: how long and to what extend do you wanna use those ADs? It’s not possible for most ADs to leave them away from one to the other day. Most of the time there is a withdrawal process involved as well and then you will feel bad again and have to go through symptoms again. In my eyes ADs is just a way of delaying the problem but it ultimately will come back to you. Or you never go through withdrawal as you take them for the rest of your life but I think taking a pill for the rest of your life isn’t a sustainable solution. Taking ADs causes side effects most of the time that often increase with prolonged use.

    I took ADs for over one year myself after I stopped smoking weed for the first time back when I was 18. After 3-4 months I became unpatient and no longer couldn’t stand my overall feelings. Back then I didn’t knew that it might take longer then 3-4 months in order to feel normal again and everyone else wondered too, so ADs where a viable solution. After going through one year of the smallest dose of Cipralex I stopped them and everything came back even stronger. I absolutely detest any form of psychological medicine so take everything I say with a grain of salt. But from my understanding ADs aren’t fixing anything and just post pone homeostasis. At best they relief you from suffering for some time while giving you manageable side effects and at worst you become dependent on them, realise this one day and your whole recovery process is delayed for a another year or two.

    From your last posts it seems like you are tremendously suffering from the whole PAWS situation and I can highly resonate with it but it seems like you just want to get out of the misery ASAP. I often feel the same and I surely don’t want to blame you for feeling like that. But as I said earlier this whole PAWS thing is a marathon and after about 12-14 months you reach a wall of resistance that feels so huge. You’re so exhausted and the distance left still feels like an eternity to go. At this point you just have to push through. I PERSONALLY don’t think that taking pills will fix whatever is currently the problem. Your brain is repairing for a reason and maybe is soooo close before completing a clean reboot. Whenever I read old post of Don and other People they all described these months we both currently are going through as very bad while simultaneously feeling like no progress is made. I think this stage of PAWS is absolutely normal and in order to feel a sustained and balanced happiness you have to go through these months as well. Spring is right around the corner and better times lie ahead. Please consider that taking pills right now can completely prevent recovery or delaying it further. What you eventually do is your own thing and I hope you aren’t offended by my warning you this directly but I went that route of taking ADs and life never felt the same afterwards. I think it fucked up my neurotransmitter balance even further.

    It‘s your free choice to ignore my comment and I wouldn’t have a single problem with it as I totally respect that everyone makes decisions on their own but I felt like I have to tell you the dangers of taking this path as it’s really seductive in situations where all hope seems lost.
     
  10. Where did you read that it can hamper progress? A part of me thinks that that isn't true.

    Lol now you got me thinking that I'm making this severe, monumental decision, when I'm going at it from a much simpler, innocent mindset. Fuck.
     
  11. Just sit it out. Medication might help you. Your choice.

    "Koobs & LeMoal proposed that there exists a separate circuit responsible for the attenuation of reward-pursuing behavior, which they termed the anti-reward circuit. This component acts as brakes on the reward circuit, thus preventing the over pursuit of food, sex, etc. This circuit involves multiple parts of the amygdala (the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis, the central nucleus), the Nucleus Accumbens, and signal molecules including norepinephrine, corticotropin-releasing factor, and dynorphin.[53] This circuit is also hypothesized to mediate the unpleasant components of stress, and is thus thought to be involved in addiction and withdrawal. While the reward circuit mediates the initial positive reinforcement involved in the development of addiction, it is the anti-reward circuit that later dominates via negative reinforcement that motivates the pursuit of the rewarding stimuli.[54]"
     
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    It's been more than two years since I quit my SSRI and I still haven't completely recovered. Since we are both in this forum, we might have a similar experience with SSRIs.
     
  13. DerJogge

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    I didn’t read that no where in relation to PAWS but in the beginning of my research I watched a lot of videos on YouTube about PAWS and one of the things that I remember is a really important part of making a FULL recovery is to not interfere with the brain repairing itself. Whether it be alcohol, other excessive pathological habits or any form of mind altering substances. I also never read on a single PAWS information page that ADs are a viable solution or form of supporting therapy - I didn’t read that one single time and it’s also making a lot of sense to not take anything.

    Why are we having PAWS because we reached a point in our life where our addiction messed up the whole totality of our neurotransmitter balance. Dopamine and serotonin receptors are fucked up, endorphine production cut down, or whatever specific condition the addiction caused. We often talk about dopamine isolated but our overall well being is a mixture of all neurotransmitters being in balanced state relative to each other. There has to be a perfect balance between dopamine and serotonin and other things. In the process of PAWS the Brain is forced to find its way back to homeostasis because you aren’t releasing excessive forms of a certain neurotransmitter and thus your brain slowly crawls back after years of overconsumption. You‘re paying back the debt you created over the years. Taking ADs feels like taking a loan to pay back the debt only to create more debts that need to be payed back at a not so far time in the future. Yes you might feel better in there current here and now but what if those ADs stop working in the future or if the side effects get to obvious. You then have to quit them and your not repaired brain from before that, didn’t produce enough neurotransmitters in the right quantity on its own, is now denied again from the external supply of a specific neurotransmitter.

    For example: I can’t take L-tryptophan (an aminoacid prior to 5htp and serotonin) even at a dosage of 250mg because after 1-2 weeks my serotonin-levels are outweighing my dopamine-levels as elevated serotonin levels automatically cause dopamine to decrease. I always tend to notice that my legs are moving weird while walking and that I feel this strange restlessness. I think this is part of SSRIs reducing your libido while enabling you to last longer in bed. They artificially lower your dopamine levels while heightening your serotonin levels. You might feel more optimistic or less depressed but the motivation to do things or to achieve something is reduced significantly. This whole system of neurotransmitters is something we humans only should interfere with in absolute extreme cases like psychosis, schizophrenia, extreme panic attacks or acute withdrawal, etc. I once took Tavor in the first 3 days of going through withdrawal in order to sleep well and boy this was the easiest withdrawal I ever went through. But taking ADs is only a Kickstarter for people that suffer from a really really intense depression or which aren’t able to produce enough neurotransmitters on their own if a certain illness is present. I don’t think that’s the case for most of us. We suffer from addiction and thus it’s only logically that recovery will occur at a certain point. Giving a brain prone to addiction a form of new drug in the midst of a recovery process doesn’t seem like a good idea to myself but I have to point out that this is my own subjective perspective from my own experiences from my lifelong pursuit of happiness and peace of mind. I would fight through those coming months and if you don’t feel better after two years then I would consider again to take ADs. I can’t give you hard facts onto the danger of it killing your recovery but I can only offer my logical reasoning and knowledge that you shouldn’t interfere with the automatic recovery process of your brain.
     
  14. Masked-Debater

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    I've got LOTS of experience with psych meds of all flavors, but it was all before I found Nofap. I was still actively destroying my brain so they felt terrible. They aren't the "cure" for addiction-related brain changes and they definitely don't restore the gray matter in the prefrontal cortex. So will they help you after 15 months of sobriety? IDK, I can't honestly say because I haven't tried it. But I will say this though. SSRIs make my dick as stupid as a fucking log. In me, they also increase apathy and decrease motivation. Like you, I'd love to take a break from the depression, but mostly I just want to feel ALIVE. SSRIs have never done that for me. YMMV.

    Whatever you do I support it. Some people have been helped by psych meds, even if short term. I wouldn't want to talk you out of something if it would help you. Just be smart enough not to create a new crutch or rabbit hole for yourself. Remember that you are in charge, not the p-doc.
     
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  15. Masked-Debater

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    Oh yeah, one more thing... If you start feeling better at around 18 months clean and now come back saying that Prozac is the cure for PAWS, I will block your ass too! :D
     
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  16. I would like to write about my story in more detail. I have PMOed around 17.8 years since a very early age. I discovered porn when I was 11 years old. My relapse behavior used to be once every 3 days on average, and at some period it was thrice a day. It rarely reached 4 times and one was 6 times and twice 5 times (I remember because those nights followed with a hell of symptoms).

    My Nofap progress started improving since 2019 where it was once per week, then once every 13, 20, 28, 30s, 40+ reached 60+ a couple of times and the current streak is my longest one. From May 2020 until today my total relapses are around 16. Most of my relapses are to M only or Psubs.

    The symptoms were a lot during relapses, I had anxiety and depression, bodily symptoms; They increase while edging as well. Also, the withdrawals were emotional, anxiety, and depression.

    However, the current symptoms facing and totally different and interfere with functioning normally throughout the day. I mentioned in an earlier comment that I feel sensations/tingling/cramps in my head (mostly the back but sometimes front, sides, and top). Also feeling of brain-fag, derealisation feelings, and social anxiety. Sometimes anxiety comes while driving, the symptoms look General anxiety.

    I never had such severe mental symptoms in terms of sensations or derealisation and anxiety. In the last year, sometimes I remember on the day I relapse (if I do it more than once in a day or around 10 days streak) I would feel weird sensations. The first day of these symptoms after a relapse is the worst, as they would be like a panic attack and sensitivity to lights and sounds. This use to come in a couple of days then fades. But then since last November, it all changed; I had a relapse after 18 days and binged like thrice due to depression, I got such symptoms and persisted for 10 days and it was so scary. Then I relapsed once on day 40 and it was much worse and persisted until this day 84.

    I link the root of such symptoms to PMO. As they happen after a relapse either on the same day or within a couple of days if I binged.

    I would like to mention that I never drank alcohol. I don't drink coffee (my caffeine intake is relatively low) Sometimes I eat a lot of sweets but again relatively low. I never smoked and I never had drugs.

    I felt very slow improvements in the last week, but sometimes I feel fine, and then suddenly things get upside down with a lot of tears. But things suddenly felt as bad as before after having a nocturnal emission 3 days ago( after almost 71 days of without wet dreams or nocturnal emissions so overall 3 nocturnal emissions since the beginning of this streak.)

    I am going Monk mode but sometimes I fantasize for a couple of minutes the moment I wake up which is the only problem that I am trying to control.

    I visited a neurologist and did a CT scan, B12, Magnesium, Thyroid, vitamin D, they are clear. He prescribed an anti-depressant to me but I didn't take it fearing the symptoms and withdrawal symptoms people are complaining about. Although I read it helped people as well (some reviews for Prozac say it's safe and they felt well, but here the total opposite lol).

    My eating habits are fine as I follow the Mediterranean lifestyle. I jog daily as well. Sometimes I fast; it helped me but not always.


    I'm not sure if this is about PAWS or not. But it looks like a symptom more than a withdrawal. I have been delaying getting a job for 4 months because of these symptoms. It's a serious nightmare... What do you think the best option to cope with this?
     
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  17. How do you feel now?
     
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  18. I can't stress enough how taking meds is going to have a negative effect, oh well, I gave my advice from experience to what you seek, I can tell you, if you take any of them this won't be the only forum you will be scrolling waiting and looking for a solution, you will be on the Surviving Antidepressants forum, maybe scrolling Benzo Buddies or psych forums, for the same symptoms as you have now and worse.

    What will you do? Take it consistently for a year? Two years? Permanently? What about your liver? Your libido? (which SSRIs can destroy even more than porn ever could). Do you want the possibility of chronically low testosterone from your medications?

    Stop trying to run away, for there is nowhere to run to, all that can be done is to sit down and wait.
     
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    More and more I get impression that kindling is one of the major factors in developing PAWS. I can’t count the times I went through an abstinence and thus healing process and then crashing it with a binge.

    Regarding your question: strict abstinence for a long time otherwise the symptoms will get worse and worse. You currently feel those bad symptoms as derealisation/anxiety and bodily symptoms as part of an overreaction from your fight or flight response.
     
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    I'm 21 years old and started daily MO at 11 and daily PMO at 12. Until the age of 18 I was doing PMO 1-3 times a day, despite having a girlfriend from ages 15+. Finally, after 6 years someone told me that it could be potential harmful and I quit the day after. The first time I quit was great, I had all these 'superpowers' which every keeps going on about on reddit. I felt calm and connected, my grades were up and I was just doing generally well in life. However, the one symptom I did have was no libido (failed couple times with a great new girl I met).

    I wasn't a user of reddit or any of the forums at the time and didn't know about the flatline so I took matters into my own hands and got back with my old girlfriend after 2/3 months of starting nofap. I only saw her on weekends but when I did we would have sex about 4 times a day which is when the first PAWS symptoms came in. A side note - I consider this particular girlfriend to be the same as porn to me, maybe it was because I was with her when my addiction was developing or perhaps other reasons which I won't go into detail on. Either way she was the only girl I could get hard for. After a month, I couldn't bear the symptoms any longer and we broke up. I continued to MO just once a week because I was still scared about the libido thing (so dumb!). At the beginning this kinda worked for me as I still felt pretty good, I would MO and then feel semi shitty for a couple days, then feel great for a couple days and then MO again on the 7th.

    As time went on, the PAWS symptoms became more prominent. I tried sex with another beautiful girl but just couldn't, not only did I have ED but my libido was still non-existent. By this point I knew my what my problem was but was in severe denial, I convinced myself that if I made the switch again from MO to my girlfriend things would get better. They didn't, I'd been in this steady increasing of my PAWS symptoms for 8 months. I was still relatively happy at this point and the symptoms weren't too debilitating, but I was fed up.

    Somehow I came up with the brilliant idea that watching porn again everyday will kickstart my libido and everything will be fine, so I did that for a month. This is when my symptoms switched from mild to severe. I became anhedonic, extremely socially anxious, cognitively retarded, unmotivated + many more. PMO went under the radar for this one once again and I blamed it on the chronic fatigue (I was completely housebound) I had developed which I'm now beginning to think was another symptom. I actually continued to PMO/sex with ex daily for 4 months until finally cutting down to twice a week which is around when my chronic fatigue started to lift. I came out of chronic fatigue and expected all the PAWS symptoms to be gone (I had no idea about PAWS at this point) but they stayed. I tried absolutely everything from going back to my old life of drinking with my mates (found out that alcohol no longer gives me a buzz) to making a completely new one of reading/eating healthy/exercise but nothing worked.

    So at this point I've gone through a whole year of severe PAWS symptoms plus another year of mild PAWS symptoms. The whole time I've known that it was orgasms causing this but I was in denial and wasn't thinking clearly so I was trying everything else to get better. After all this time and suffering I made the decision to stop all forms of O, at this point I was beaten down and would accept no libido for life over any of these PAWS symptoms (still would). This was around 5 months ago.

    I didn't think it could get worse but it did. Whilst before the symptoms were just a huge inconvenience, from 5 months ago until now I have been in actual pain. I had no idea what it was at the start (still wasn't on forums much at all) and began to assume the worst diagnoses such as schizophrenia. Eventually, I found this thread and everything finally made sense for the first time in 2 years. For the past 2 months PAWS the good periods have become a little bit better and longer, instead just a couple of hours of feeling not so bad. This is of some relief and I guess it means I'm on the right path, yet it's still hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Been to the doctors and had a load of tests done and the only thing abnormal was low folate for which I'm now taking 5-mthf (if anyone has experience or knowledge on this, do tell). Also trying to get a psychologist atm to rule out any other problems which could possibly cause these symptoms, although im 99% certain its PAWS. Do you think it's worth getting a brain scan?

    How else could you explain the correlation of my symptoms to O. I've gone from being the happiest kid around, with many great skills and attributes to the complete opposite despite my lifestyle becoming a lot healthier. If this was all in my head then how the hell have I completely lost my footballing ability, alcohol has no effect on me and many other similar unexplainable things.

    I think the main points learned from my case is just how bad kindling is whilst your brain is trying to recover as it turned my PAWS from unnoticeable to severe. Also, that sex can be as bad as PMO in a certain context.
     
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